Hi guys, LIEBHERR Refrigerator is a good brand in our India because its a Germany brand and hes cooling and hes service. I used LG and Samsung fridge but not LIEBHERR Refrigerator is best compared to others brand.

First fridge died at 2.5 years right after warranty expired, reason was pipes sandwiched in the fridge back burst and hence not repairable. Company offered me a new one for 400eur which I foolishly accepted (first one was 1300eur), same thing happened to my friend Nikos, burst pipes and fridge goes to be recycled, he too got the offer. Kept only the icemaker from the first one just in case. At 2.5 years the icemaker doser died, service tech gave a part price of 600eur, so I have no icemaker since. And today the Made in Germany fridge completely died and me running to friends to store my moms chemotherapy meds. Tons of local threads regarding this burst pipes problem, I now regard this company as pure evil, they manufacture defective products on purpose according to where local laws allow them to do so.

Our experience with Liebherr Refrigerator has been appalling to say the least. We moved into our new house in 2004 and I would think on average the fridge has broken down every three years. The temperature dial for the fridge keeps going haywire. And of course it is always just out of warranty when this happens. Its cost us a small fortune getting it repaired and not to mention the really stressful situations this causes when it happens again and again. I find the suppliers/service people here in Ireland totally inadequate in their response. I dont think once I got an apology from them for all the stress their product has caused. I would not touch any Liebherr product ever again and would advise anybody to run a million miles from them also.

My experiences with Liebherr are terrible. Unable to get a service person to repair refrigerator. Refrigerator was 6,500.00 and have constant problems. Freezer is full of ice. Cannot adjust the temperature in the freezer. No help with any problems and no service available. Gerhards Store where we purchased this is no better.

After seeing at least 50 refrigerator brands I came across the brand Liebherr that has been new in India. After careful comparison and analysing what would suit my kitchen. The Liebherr TCss 3540 is unusually different and I must say classy cause the Stainless steel look is different from the other refrigerators Ive seen. With immense space and adjustable shelves I could make space for everything. The highlight of the refrigerator that amazed me is the various shelf. Its the most useful feature where I can store the delicate essentials. I would give this refrigerator a thumbs up and perfect for those who love cooking and baking. Did I mention this cool pack that doubles up to store the drinks when you have a party. Check this one out. If youre looking for class and features Liebherr TCss 3540 is perfect for you.

Hi. This Liebherr product very good. Am using TCB2640. This is the best refrigerator and like the cool pack and spice box and this fridge is very silent not like other brand, Please try this brand and also suggest all my friends to buy Liebherr product... Thank you.

I bought Liebherr fridge in 2018..346l blue colour... Its really cool looking and good for modular kitchen... I recommend everyone to buy this fridge... But dont worry about reviews.. This is really best product.

After around 7 service calls, I gave up. No longer use the ice maker. Now for some reason, my freezer gave up. I have only owned it since 2007. For an expensive appliance, it is a huge disappointment.

I buy Liebherr fridge 2022 January red colour first. I think new brand wired but product after service but after sales and service good, product also excellent, this is my 2nd fridge compare with my old fridge. This is excellent space and adjustment, big vegetable box. Good product given by Liebherr.

I had purchased a Liebherr twin door refrigerator but very next day itself its started to works in abnormal condition, not getting cooled in lower portion of the refrigerator, their authorised service person told me that in India Liebherrs almost all products are having many manufacturing defects, so I am telling here that with my personal experience is that dont go ahead with their product.

Simply says German quality refrigerator and nice look. Easy shifting racks and nice colour. Good feeling and after service is very good and very big vegetable box and good space is there in the refrigerator and good design.

Dont make the mistake of buying a Liebherr Refrigerator from Alpine Appliance in Vail, CO. Alpine service and understanding of these refrigerators is embarrassingly poor. First and foremost, in the context of Liebherr quality, I can safely and confidently say that Liebherr cannot be talked about in the same sentence as Sub-Zero. I now I understand why Liebherr is significantly less expensive, because it should be! I must respectfully ask how can you comment on the quality of Liebherr when you yourself and your service staff did not know that this model was not self-closing; additionally your service person told me that fridge always rocks until you fill it up, yet the other day he found out for the first time there was something he had not learned or done that would have prevented the fridge from rocking. What I found funny is that your service guys replaced a part to eliminate the rock, which obviously was both unnecessary and unexplainable.At a minimum, isnt your job to teach your service guys how to properly install a refrigerator you sell and so call service. Your email response albeit appreciated was condescending at best but very consistent with the quality of your service, so not surprising. Your one service guy was blown away when he called Liebherr tech support only to learn that this model is not self-closing! His exact words were there are $500 refrigerators that have this most basic feature. On a positive note, the refrigerator does keep food cold and fresh which a guess is a positive.

My refrigerator developed some problems, which I accept. However, because it was out of warranty, the appliance store would not service it. None of the local repairers would work on a Liebherr, and the main customer service at Liebherr couldnt provide a service rep for the entire Olympic Peninsula! What good is a refrigerator that cant be serviced? Liebherr has not developed adequate service coverage. They shouldnt sell equipment that they cant assure service.

Product is value for money. Till now had a good experience this refrigerator of this to be continued worth money, good product, Need to be provide good services, the services and good but sometimes delayed.

We bought the Liebherr when we were renovating our kitchen in 2009. I just opened the site to see how to make the freezer stop beeping. I was not surprised to see that we experienced just about every complaint in the recent postings. We had the second authorized repairman 8 times. I could not find the paperwork for the first repairman. Our first complaint when the refrigerator arrived was the pokey ice production. Our dealer contacted Liebherr and was told that Europeans dont use as much ice as Americans. That was a stunning reply since I bought in the US. Then we started having constant problems with the French doors closing. We had many visits from the first repairman, after which the second repairman , who seemed more knowledgeable, repaired the doors. We had to have the suction trim replaced. We also had a problem with the back of the refrigerator freezing, clogging the drain. The two drawers filled with water and the fresh produce kept freezing. The refrigerator has been a huge disappointment. From our experience, I would never recommend this refrigerator. My husband & I recall our parents having the same refrigerator for our entire childhoods. Those days are surely long gone.

I bought a stand-alone Liebherr 4 drawer freezer and a Liebherr fridge in 2003/4 (12-13 years) and these have worked perfectly ever since despite never having had a service. I have had a fire in my apartment and the insurance company has written off the fridge and freezer as it would cost more to clean and test them than to buy a replacement. The kitchen was also written off in the fire so I am looking for built-in fridge and freezer for the kitchen (the stand alone units were in a utility room next to my roof terrace; useful for keeping beer cool). Because of my good experience with Liebherr I was thinking of buying this brand.As part of my search I came across the Consumeraffairs.com site with all of the negative reviews and it is certainly giving me some pause for thought. The most common fault appears to be the ice-maker which, as one respondent mentions, we in Europe seldom use. The second most common problem appears to be the doors not shutting properly, especially on the units with two doors, again something less used in Europe. I am a little more worried about the problems with ice forming at the back of the fridge, the number of components that just break, the unreliability of the temperature control and the poor response from Liebherr. Has the quality of Liebherr dropped in recent years. Have the products become more complex and therefore less reliable or is there a specific problem with US based products – I found one review from the Netherlands where I live among all of the US based complaints.

Bought the Liebherr Refrigerator past week and pretty much happy with the amount of space it provides to contain all our necessities. Also, vegetables kept in stays fresh even after few days of its storage. All in all the fridge is value for money spent. The refrigerator generates adequate amount of cooling and helps keep all food items fresh and edible at all times. I am very happy with my choice of refrigerator and that makes me feel its the best.

Working very good, worthy money, good product, I am using this refrigerator, is very good, very huge inside space, everything is good, I am really satisfied with this refrigerator, everything perfect. Worth money.

Well, in the beginning I hesitated to buy the product, whereas Liebherr representative have educated me and gave comparison about other refrigerators which Im impressed and the efficiency is still awesome.. I can refer to those who want to go for new luxury refrigerator..

Brought this brand refrigerator 6 months back and this refrigerator performance was excellent and other features like spice box is very much useful to keep spices and storage of milk products separate compartment.

Hey guys, Good product, good service, good choice to buy this one. I using Liebherr fridge for last 2 years. Good experience to use this fridge. Very happy to buy this one and also good quality, very spacious too. Design, colour are unique.

The 48 inch unit has a refrigerator, bio fresh and freezer units. It had problems within the first 6 months. Ice maker cracked and stopped working; got it replaced twice. The plastic boxes for crisper in the refrigerator, bio fresh and freezer unit are extremely poor quality and cracked sooner or later. Bought replacements multiple times but had problems again. Had other problems and had to replace some sensors. Finally this year the freezer stopped working. The authorized service who charged me $1200 replaced parts but it stopped working within a week. Finally I was told by Liebherr that since the unit is 8 years old all they could offer is a 30% discount on the freezer unit but I will have to pay full price on the others - about $10,000! What a mistake - worst appliance I ever owned!!!

Liebherr refrigerator is so good. The door thickness and is cooling inside internal space boxes so amazing. Guys my suggestion is please you also try Liebherr refrigerator and Im sure after sales and service also better than others brand....

Dear Customers, Vendors of Liebherr refrigerator and Liebherr organisation. I am a genuine customer and not a competitor. My name is Pracheta and my details will be found in Vijay Sales Panvel, as well as in Liebherr customer service. Please note buying Liebherr refrigerator has been my worst experience with an electrical appliance bought ever. This is the first time we bought a Liebherr product with a lot of expectations. Within a 6-7 months use, we have had issues with extreme cooling, water leakage from fridge - leading to health & sanitation issues of my family. My family has also suffered from food poisoning due to spoilt food and erratic cooling conditions of the fridge. There used to be continuous water leakage inside the fridge spoiling all raw vegetables, masalas and also cooked food. There were times, when there was no cooling and sometimes extreme cooling. After logging a complaint for the first time with customer care on 23rd July **, a technician came within 2 days and mentioned that the issue needs to be checked and updated to head office for resolution. A second round of at least 10 follow ups thought 3 weeks, Arun ** obliged and assured that fridge will be replaced. This promise also seemed empty as it took more than a week and a series of follow ups to replace the fridge. Now finally after the packed fridge has arrived, my family has to go through another series of waiting for installation. Finally today I have a packed fridge + old fridge gone - with practically no fridge to use and another long wait for a technician to install. Engineers do not work after 6pm, but Liebherr is ok to have a customer have the worst experience since a month. My details of the fridge purchase with my details are available for the company to validate.

@3500 each for a 24 counter depth freezer and ref (HF 861), my client could have gotten a used GE or LG Freezer. The weather stripping is coming off for the second time, Icemaker has never worked. We (after a full replacement) and their customer service line is dreadful, each time I call they want me to try a new troubleshooting step. Liebherr just changed their policy on repairs so no more guarantee on their products. Save yourself time and money and buy literally any other brand.

I bought a Liebherr refrigerator - CNes 4003, Index 20/001 in April 2009 and after almost 4 years, I found out that I should throw it away since the insulation at the back was destroyed and it could not be fixed. Obviously, this was the last thing I would expect to hear since I had bought this appliance for 1200 euros at the time from a trustworthy & reliable brand in order to ensure peace of mind. Luckily, my high expectations were not turned down. The customer service in Germany has confronted my case with great professionalism and in a timely manner and I was offered to exchange my appliance with a new one with similar characteristics with my refrigerator and free of charge although the warranty had expired long ago. I promised them to acknowledge their response and professionalism since I believe that apart from complaints, we should also share positive experiences and give credit to the people who are able to listen customers voice & respond with efficiency to fair requests. Mr Andreas **, Technical Manager, Refrigerators & Freezers Division, thank you again for your professionalism.

We purchased a new Liebherr refrigerator in January 2013. Have had countless problems with the ice maker followed by endless service calls. The quality and workmanship on a high priced refrigerator as this completely SUCKS!!

In summer 2008 we bought for €1500 what we thought was a state of the art built in refrigerator, the Liebherr IKB 3650. Only 3 years later - in 2011 - the door started not closing properly and cooling was poor. The local service replaced (after 3 visits) the heavy duty door hinges for €200 (past warranty period). The year after - 2012 - cooling was poor again. They came again and changed a sensor, plus check the fan, for another €70-80. It started working again somehow better. In 2013 cooling was poor again (10-12 Celsius) and they came over and over, changing more sensors, for which they did not charge spare parts, only visit labour time €40.Finally in June 2014 cooling was poor again. The local service came another 2-3 times, charging another €77 for changing a sensor and check. Nothing happened. They came back and placed a monitoring device for 3-4 days. After this they said they have to replace the motherboard (€160), which they did, yet nothing improved. Then they said they must take it to their premises and fix it and this is what we did. After 23 days (!!!) they told me its ready and I have to pay another €193 for the new compressor motor, while the appliance is totally new!!!They brought it home, it worked for 10 days and then dropped dead. They told me it is not repairable, they can only return to me the value of the latest spare parts, buy it back by offering me a discount of €600 on the price of the new model and bring me the new IKB 3550-20. Pls note that due to the built-in construction in my kitchen, I have very limited choices for a fridge. I accepted, paying the difference of €500 and today they brought it. Reading the reviews on your site, I wonder if I made a BIG MISTAKE and if I should better find and buy another brand????

I have bought several Liebherr refrigerators, including two model 1360s. Both have had sealed unit problems that have prevented the units from cooling. Each time, I have had to call service people recommended by the national Liebherr office in Arizona. Each time it has taken weeks to get service and several times the service people do not show up. When they do, they say that it is a sealed system issue and that they cannot fix it. Then, I get another service recommendation from the Arizona office-- someone supposedly qualified to service a sealed system. And, ultimately, usually after several additional weeks or even months, the next service company comes out to see the unit and also notes that it is a sealed system problem, that Liebherr will not authorize them to service and that the unit must be replaced. Then, with the unit still under warranty, Liebherr ultimately calls someone to replace the unit, but this again takes months. I have dealt with 5 different service companies on these refrigerators, all of whom have expressed frustration with the Liebherr process. When I had my latest issue with a Liebherr 1360, two of the companies I had dealt with previously, including the company that replaced the last 1360, said that they will not do Liebherr work anymore and refused to come out. These two companies were still on the list of contractors recommended by the Liebherr Arizona office. This is a bad refrigerator with obvious design problems and the Liebherr repair and warranty network is extremely slow and frustrating to deal with. It seems that the strategy is always to require someone additional to come out to look at the unit while not authorizing anyone to do a repair on some defective component of the sealed compressor system. Stay away from Liebherr.

Liebherr Refrigerator freezers: I purchased these 2 units at an auction at Elite Appliance. They were sold as new but with cosmetic issues. They worked for 7 months, then both units failed. When I called for service, I was told that these were not new, rather they were second hand. No one would take responsibility for the lie. Not Elite Appliance, Almo the distributor that sold them the units, or Liebherr. Pieces of junk. Do not buy!

I bought this fridge in November last year for my Parents who are living in India and it broke down in 7 months. It took ages to get someone to look at it and so it took another few weeks to get the part ordered. Now company won’t have people who can come and fix the part and every time we call they are giving us different dates but no one is showing up on any dates given so far.When other family member called and ask if we can order a new fridge and when can we get delivered the response was straight away, We can deliver you next working day. So company have people to deliver the New fridge but not to attend the service for broken fridge. When we ask why is it like that the company spoke person don’t have answer for it. My parents are senior citizens And living by themselves and now have to struggle with this situation on daily basis and don’t have any fridge to store food from last few weeks have to buy daily essentials everyday especially in Covid pandemic when they shouldn’t be going out much. There is lack of customer care and no one is being helpful even though fridge comes with 10 years warranty. I highly recommend not to purchase this product as you will have lot of trouble to get it fixed if anything goes wrong.

Excellent Refrigerator. Nicely and durability.. Electric consumption is also good. Overall nice refrigerator. Thank you for Liebherr… Nicely it will and thank for Mr ** who suggested me to buy this product with complete explanation.

Ice accumulating at bottom of 7353 freezer unit. Electra the local distributor refuses to assist and/or provide advice what to do before calling a technician which costs around 65$ before parts. The rep says: We do not provide any support on the phone. If you have a question you must schedule a technician and pay for it. Terrible attitude and support. Plastic drawers easily fall out and break and plastic handle parts that break. Will never buy one again.

After we moved into our new dream house, we wanted to get a premium refrigerator. Our close friend who have suggested me Liebherr. So we went to the shop and we had purchased liebherr easy fresh model and we found it best in quality. Loved the product

Im seeing all of these horrific reviews and I can only assume that theyre either written by competitors or people who have just had really bad luck. I had a 24 Liebherr in my last place that I bought new and lived with for 5 years until I sold my condo. Ive since moved into a house that happened to have a full-sized integrated Liebherr installed. According to the serial number sticker its almost 10 years old now and is still perfect, silent, and a pleasure to live with. Liebherr has meticulous records on all of its past products so they were able to give this appliances complete history.Apparently in the first year the previous owners had a couple of small issues at the start (a drawer was cracked and the display had a fault) but since then nothing. I dont have any vested interest in Liebherr other than the fact that as an architect I like to specify quality products in my designs and its frustrating to me that so many people take it upon themselves to dump on something and so few ever give positive reports. So heres one at least. (or two, since I can attest for two fridges, and am sort of a repeat customer.)

Excellent Guidance from selection of model to installation. On time delivery with minimum followup. Very friendly executives. Product Interior quality very high compared to other refrigerators. Very much happy to choose the right quality product.

Four years ago, I bought a Liebherr wine cooler and refrigerator. The wine cooler died as soon as the warrant expired. Liebherr referred me to an appliance repair that is authorized to repair Liebherr products. The guy who showed up had no clue. He was on the phone talking to somebody in the office, getting instructions. Finally he gave up and told me that they will be in touch. After waiting for two days, since my wine was about to go bad, I was forced to buy another Liebherr wine cooler because it was a built in unit and I had no choice.During the recent hurricane, Sandy, the power went out in my apartment. I turned the fridge off. When the power came back on, the fridge did not. The light was on but the compressor was not. I called Liebherr despite the fact that the compressor did not go on ( the compressor warranty is 5 years, so it is under warranty)! They said that since it is no longer under warranty, I should contact their authorized service centers. They gave me 3 options. The one that fixed my wine cooler was not one of them.I called the first one but they were not authorized to work on compressors. The second one came a day later and his diagnosis was that it might be the compressor but maybe not, maybe it is the inverter. It took 5 days to order the inverter which will arrive in 3 days. I will be without a fridge for 3 weeks by then. If it is not the inverter, the service guy has to get authorization from Liebherr to order the compressor. I called Liebherr to find out how long will it take to get an authorization and get a compressor. The guy yelled at me and told me that I am asking a stupid question and he cannot estimate how long it will take. I left a VM for his supervisor, Josh, but he has not called back.Do I rent a fridge? Buy a fridge? Whatever I do, how do I tell people not to buy a Liebherr product unless you enjoy replacing them every 2-4 years?

The worst purchase I have ever made. I write to advise consumers to avoid Liebherr fridge freezers at all costs. I purchased a Liebherr fridge for my daughter in October 2016 and my daughter has been experiencing problems ever since. The fridge had never run at the proper temperature. The temperature is never constant and is always below 38F, it is closer to 50 and lower. We have been told that there is nothing wrong with the fridge. Now we have been told to keep the fridge-freezer at the highest setting at all times! The company refuses to accept the fridge-freezer is faulty. My daughter is therefore stuck with a malfunctioning fridge that is unlikely to last much beyond its 2-year guarantee.

I am so disappointed with my Liebherr refrigerator. I purchased it in 2008 and expected it to perform as it was advertised. Since purchase the ice maker no longer works, the side panel refrigerator shelving pulled off and broke, the back of the refrigerator is icing, the vegetable and meat drawers fill with water, and - last straw - the door handle broke off! Poor manufacturing and substandard materials completely negate the refrigerators convenient sizing. I feel foolish for paying so much for this carelessly made train wreck.

The Liebherr Home refrigerator is simply horrible. I strongly recommend against purchase of a Liebherr refrigerator. The inside walls get wet with moisture. It ruins your food. The refrigerator is advertised as frost free. I have never experienced this with a new refrigerator before.

My wife and I bought a 24 wide x 79 tall Liebherr fridge in 2009 as we were told it was the best in that size. It was like $2800, the price of a used car I thought then. We live on a houseboat in Seattle. From the beginning we had problems - broken handles, shelves that needed mending with plexiglass and epoxy. But worst of all, we had to defrost the freezer at near weekly intervals. And the drain in the fridge compartment would freeze up or smell so horribly that we injected bleach with a syringe to keep the smell down. We are dumping this fridge (and describing its shortcomings to anyone who is foolish enough to get it) for a Bosch, which we are assured will be less challenging. Remains to be seen. I have never had a fridge this disappointing. All the others ran for years, decades even, and failed at the end of their lives - as expected. But they did not fail on a weekly basis. Best of luck to anyone who still has a Liebherr. Never again for us.

We bought a Liebherr split door refrigerator/freezer (2 drawers) about 8 years ago. Nothing but a headache. The fridge is fine but the ice maker function has been impossible. It was replaced about 6 times in the first couple of years. Now it is broken and impossible to get the parts needed to fix it. The glass shelf on the left door just fell and broke on its own. Service for these units is difficult to find, expensive, and replacement parts seem nonexistent. Purchase a fridge that can be serviced and maintained more easily. Expensive appliance that is nearly impossible to fix.

You can believe me, 100 percent good product, you can buy this fridge, Liebherr is a quality product, I have purchased last year, cooling is very good. I am suggesting you to go for it. Value for money.

Overall like the unit even though the ice maker failed shortly after warranty and the freezer drawers easily fall out and break if not paying close attention.

I dont know where to begin! 7 weeks ago, after one year of no problems, the ice maker quit working. I noticed frost on the back interior wall of the refrigerator from day one. Also, the left fridge door quit closing by itself. Called & got a guy named ** who sounded stupid and evasive, but apparently could diagnose it from South Carolina, because after making me fax a copy of the receipt to prove we bought it (what!!!???) and I called back to check on fax & service, the female I spoke with told me hed ordered a part and it was being sent to our service person here. I assumed it must be a regular problem for him to be able to diagnose. It was a new ice tray. Service guy came up and installed it and told us ** said it had a crack. Nope. I could have told him that. Also ** was rude. He told me that my Machine didnt have doors that closed. The next person said door needed a new hinge cartridge. Yet another person said my ice problem was a little 1/2 inch magnet on the drawer. LOL! Service guy was not issued a work order to diagnose the freezer or fridge. So he didnt because his experience was he would not get paid by this company. In fact a LOT of phone calls only to be met with complete resistance. A tech person who had to flip through a repair pamphlet to tell us what buttons to push. HE kept telling me my ice maker was leaking. NO it wasnt!!! Can you see Hawaii from South Carolina?? Awful service people and I think they are paid to make the customer wait it out as long as possible, diagnosing tiny little problems and sending useless parts to placate us. Still no service person - no ice, no resolving the issue. Seven weeks and counting. I think if the hinge cartridge ever arrives, the service person here (who is excellent) will be allowed to diagnose it at that point, but no coming out to do just one thing. So now my food in fridge is starting to freeze and Im just counting the days until someone comes up here. I will NEVER buy a Liebherr product again and I urge anyone researching one to read all of the reviews. They are all the same lesson!

We have a 36 double door - double freezer drawer model and love it. Recently, we purchased a 24 model and hate it! The 24 model looks great and is a conversation piece - until the compressor kicks in. You can not believe the sound! The factory authorized a guy to come down and listen to it - then they replaced the compressor. It is still noisy. They came back and told me thats just the way it is. Since they deemed that the noise is normal (its just as noisy now as it was with the original compressor), Liebherr will not pay the service contractor for his efforts! I am so disappointed with this company. I could yell. How can this smaller unit sound like an airplane taking off when the compressor kicks on, yet the large unit we own is nice and quiet? Definitely a design problem!

Model HC 2062, purchased in 2012, is a nice size, double doors, 2 freezer doors below, overall a nice design. We first became annoyed when the ice maker would not keep up with demand. Just after the 2-year warranty expired, the guts of the ice maker fell into the ice tray. $250 for replacement parts & labor (10 minutes). The explanation of what caused the damage is unbelievable. If you happen to open the freezer drawer when the ice reader is engaged, you can pull the guts out, which is exactly what happened. The air filter light has been on for 9 months, but its totally inaccessible unless you are good at lying on the floor and holding a screwdriver with your teeth. High-price fridge for inducing a regular headache.

We have owned C 16 model of Liebherr refrigerator since 2014. Over that time, we have had multiple issues - from breaking shelves on the front door, to the front metal handle coming off, to constant leaking inside, etc. It has been non-stop, and we are sick and tired to dealing. Never in my life have I had issues with multiple plastic parts breaking of a fridge... We are a small family of three, so the problems cannot be blamed on the extensive usage. It is just a cheaply built appliance. Please, save your money, time and nerve cells, and stay away from this model.

We bought this fridge hoping it will be good because of its German technology. But just after a month the vegetables and milk and any product kept in the interior of fridge was getting frozen. We complained but the answer was, As its kept too close to the vent its getting frozen. The Liebherr technician asked to keep things one inch away from the vent. Ours is a double door fridge. Cant understand why things were getting frozen (never such issues with our previous brand). Now after few months water is leaking from a opening suddenly when we open the door from the top portion of the fridge. This is happening every day. The technician who came reset the temperature and said it is fine. But water has not stopped leaking. So much humidity inside the fridge. Very pathetic experience with the fridge.

I am happy with the product. My overall experience is excellent and I have been using this product for last 3 years. My Electricity charges has come down drastically after I changed with LIEBHERR refrigerator. Cooling and huge storage compared to my old refrigerator. I recommend to other also.

Hii guys I had purchased a new Liebherr refrigerator from vijay sales, I had suggested by vijay sales employee.. with the explanation I had purchased it after using the refrigerator I had seen a excellent performance by refrigerator, perfect cooling and services is also good and I got lot of space in this and I had spice boxes also. I suggest to buy liebherr refrigerator to my friends & relatives also.... I suggest you also to buy such good product and its worth of cost....

Within a month of purchase, it started giving cooling issues. The vegetables are getting soggy. Although its a frost-free fridge, the freezer has ice frost accumulated badly. After complaining several times there is no action. Overall worst product.

If you want buy refrigerator so please buy LIEBHERR. German brand refrigerator. Lg Samsung Voltas and @hirlpool is only brand but if you want space and perfect cooling so buy only LIEBHERR. Is best refrigerator in India.

Model cs-1301 single door refrigerator. A year or so after buying it new the freezer became erratic. It would defrost then freeze, alternately. The least expensive tech we could find was $750 to come and look at it then return with parts and install them. He said a new Liebherr would be less. Then plastic parts started failing... the vegetable drawer split open, the plastic clips holding the shelves broke so that now after 5 years 6 out of 8 will not hold the metal bars to keep items from falling out. So we set small items like mustard jars in there. I just ordered replacements from Liebherr for $40.00.

We paid over 1200 for the stainless steel Liebherr Fridge Freezer. What a BIG MISTAKE! We have had problems from the very start. The lights did not work then the door would not shut properly. A year after purchase the ice kept collecting and the fan made a horrendous grating sound. We have had the engineer over at least 5 to 6 times since we bought the beast! And at what a cost. It is outside the guarantee and warranty period and now constantly the Alarm keeps going off in the Ice compartment. I have to try and press the fast freeze or the Alarm buttons constantly to stop the horrible sound! Interrupted sleep every night! NEVER EVER WILL WE RECOMMEND OR BUY LIEBHERR! A WASTE OF MONEY AND UTTERLY USELESS! We had a Westinghouse before that for many many years...The only trouble we had was the light bulb change once! Eventually got tired with it and changed to Liebherr! WHAT AN EXPENSIVE ERROR! Please dont ever make the mistake that we have. The constant call outs have cost an arm and a leg! AND Liebherr....Customer service!! not sure why they call it that ....WHAT SERVICE #? They dont give a damn. Only want to make money by sending out expensive engineers who will rip you off and the problem reoccurs after a while.

Beginning in year 5 our expensive built in Liebherr started to have problem after problem. Many of the appliance service companies recommended by Liebherr wouldnt service the fridge, or came out once and refused to come back for the next problem. By phone, Liebherr was not at all helpful. After 6 weeks of frustration I found their FB page and posted my complaints. Their Social media team was very helpful, got a service supervisor to call with a recommendation... An appliance service company that said they didnt service fridges!! However they recommended an individual who did fix things. Go to Social media for help with Liebherr.

The Liebherr Refrigerator water drain on the back of the fridge that is located in the non freezer section midway down the vertical fridge is not allowing the water to drain down. I have to extract the collected water by using a syringe to draw water I can every day. The fridge works fine but there are constant beepings, even when the door is closed. Today I took out the plastic trays and one had frost build up that I had to wash the frozen ice off with hot water. A service man came over a year ago and fixed the draining matter but it has returned. Any advice? Otherwise the fridge works well.

I am the unhappy owner of a Liebherr KGT-4066 refrigerator. I bought the appliance in April of 2000 for 1300 euros thinking that I bought a first rate fridge with two motors that would last for many years. Almost immediately, the problems started. First, it was a minor problem with the thermostat, and I didnt mind so much the money the authorized technician charged me. Alas, it was only the beginning. In the years that followed, many plastic parts of the interior (drawers, baskets, trays) broke and had to be replaced, with considerable cost. Most importantly, the door seal had cracks almost from the second year but when I asked the authorized technician to replace it, he answered that it meant to replace the whole door, which cost 250 Euros! So I never replaced it. To make a long story short, although the motor still works fine, I use shelves from my old fridge and I cannot store a single bottle of water on the door shelves since there is no remaining plastic hook to hang them on. I would never recommend this fridge to anyone. It was an expensive fridge with cheap, defective plastic parts.

Nice refrigerator. Easy to use. Having lot of spaces like So many racks. Able to keep all necessary products essential for purposes. Easy to clean. Able to adjust the temperature accordingly enough for kitchen purposes. I like it very much.

Really satisfied by the product and service. I bought a refrigerator few months back, worth each penny. So far no complaints I also got it in a better market price. However, I think new technology can be applied to these products.

We have had our Liebherr refrigerator repeated every other month. Specifically, the ice machine. We could have purchased a brand new refrigerator for the same amount we have spent repairing it at this point. Bottom line..This product sucks! Buyer beware!!

You dont happen to buy a refrigerator everyday. So I happen to visit the Vijay sales outlet with my wife for searching a new one and happen to see this new name Liebherr. The sales guy convinced me that the CNPef 4516 is the latest entrant in the market, however after some research and history it so happens that they have only been manufacturing refrigerators. So we decided to get it home. Its certainly unlike your regular refrigerator where its premium reflects on it being installed. A quick billing and a easy installation is all it took to bestow its presence in my kitchen, the cooling has been magnificent since day 1 and in a city like Pune where the heat can get extreme this refrigerator doesnt let you down. The easy to store vegetable bins and the cooling are the very fact that it does its job well. The freezer is different than others and can go up to -32 with the super frost is amazing.

CS1311CS1360/07011/7084638 - 00. One shelf on the door broke off after 3 months. The butter compartment broke as well. Now the actual handle on the refrigerator door broke off completely and there were 4 plastic parts scattered on the floor! Were I a very strong woman I might have thought I opened the door too quickly or carelessly. I have always had little arm strength and am frequently called delicate! I am blamed repeatedly for every issue. Having owned 2 extra large SubZero refrigerators in my former home and had no problems with either one, I know it is not me that is making this happen.

Hope that my review will prevent someone from making a bad mistake. We bought our apartment in NYC with the 30 built-in refrigerator/freezer. Nothing but problems from day one. A fortune of money to try and fix broken seals on the doors, faulty compressors, back panel freezing and lack of draining. Customer service is horrendous. They actually told me to take a toothpick and clean out the draining hole every so often, however, it didnt work. The company is completely aware of all the problems with their products and are totally refusing to deal with consumer complaints. These refrigerators are not cheap and I am shocked that they are getting away with it. Someone mentioned a lawsuit, I think would be a good idea.

This refrigerator has worked with no issues for as long as we have owned it approximately four years. My only complaint is the size which provides limited storage but this is not the fault of the unit but rather the result of living in a Condo which has restricted room.

Just bought a freezer with a height of 1,75 cm and there’s no matching refrigerator??? They only sell refrigerators in 10 longer or smaller and besides that also different model design etc. This is my last Liebherr. Goodbye.

I have purchased 2 Liebherr fridges from Pittappillil Mavelikkara branch on last year. I am so impressed and I suggested the product to my friends and relatives. Especially they are sending their engineers for giving demo and clearly explained about the usages. Everything was coordinated by Mr. ** the Assistant Manager from Pittappillil, he was so helpful and professional to us.

I bought a new Liebherr refrigerator and it never cools right in the fridge compartment. I had service 7 times and the same answer - it all checks out OK, but the box is 48-52 degrees. Not sure why? I called the company and the manager. No return call. Beware, dont buy one. A lot of money, no service and mine never worked.

This is the most expensive fridge I have ever bought. In the six years we have owned it the following has occurred: Ice maker broke twice; Shelves on the door broke and we had to get a new door to fix the problem; Water drain clogged four times. We also didnt know one had to clear this out at regular intervals. And the most irritating thing is the back of the fridge has a layer of ice on it and anything that comes in contact with back of fridge get freeze burn and is ruined. The service person who comes out to fix the machine for me tells me in a patronising way that it is normal for the fridge to ice over. I have never heard of such a thing. I notice that Liebherr never responds to the complaints about their product. DONT EVER BUY A LIEBHERR FRIDGE. Terrible quality and awful customer service.

The reported failures of the Liebherr refrigerators and the poor service by Liebherr to fix the problems makes this look like a call for a lawyer to take on a class action.

The 24 Liebherr refrigerator that came with the apartment I purchased is a piece of junk! It was just about 5 years old when the original owner paid over $600 in repair costs over 2 repair visits... Just a few months later I needed to replace the sensor for another $500. Now it is only 2 months later and once again the refrigerator is not maintaining cold temperature. I refuse to put another nickel into this terrible appliance and will have to replace it. Liebherr service was not at all accommodating! All they were willing to do was give me the names of authorized service companies which charge $200 just to walk in the door.

I purchased a new top-of-the-line Liebherr Refrigerator in 2011. It has been the worst purchase I have ever made. The refrigerator has started falling apart, it is so poorly made. When I called Liebherr Customer Service, I got more excuses and no help whatsoever. Time to get rid of this and get a Sub-Zero.

I shopped for 2 years to find the perfect fridge for my small kitchen, and Leibherrs model was the best for many reasons, namely its exceptional 5 year warranty, sleek design and efficiency. Given that I have had 3 major parts replaced within its first year of use (note: I live alone so minimum wear and tear), I am grateful for the warranty. The two different local technical service companies that have repaired it have also been exceptional. My complaint is with Leibherr customer service in Orlando or Miami, FL at 866-543-2437 who I must contact to initiate a service call. Initially, they are responsive and helpful, but on at least two occasions they have sent the wrong parts, even when they have my correct model in writing. When one lives in a hot, humid environment and without a fridge for 2-3 weeks to wait for the needed parts and then wait another 3 days for the techs to schedule a visit, the inconvenience and expense of waiting is very stressful, at best. In addition, the service reps who answer the phone have given me wrong advice of how to mitigate the situation until the techs show up, i.e. not to defrost, not to shut the unit off, etc. When the techs come, they must return later after it defrosts or blow dry my unit before they can even start to repair it. Given my above efforts, I escalated to their management: namely Shauna and Chris. I was always told that they were in meetings and promised that they would return my call, which never happened. Initially, Shauna replied via email and offered to connect me higher management, but she never followed up. The rep who answered the phone refused to give me the last name of Chris, the manager at the site nor him email address. Please note that I have tried repeatedly to express my frustrations directly with them before writing this review. When one spends $3,000.00 USD on a small fridge, wouldnt one expect better customer service from the manufacturer?

I have purchased TCSS 3540 product from Electronic Store in January. I am quite excited to share my positive experience with brand. Liebherr as a brand has a good reputation and it is actually specialist in Refrigerator product. Some special things which I wants to highlights:-# Door foam thickness is very heavy in comparison with competitive brand products which I find out help in maintaining cooling retention in whole fridge.# Moon Cut Toughened Glass Shelves which very easily without giving strain to your back help in adjust shelves at different heights without removing & re insert, this feature especially adore by my mother and per inch adjustment options is also excellent & life saver.# Vegetable Sorting System in vegetable box is unique & it helps to store fruits, vegetables in systematic manner which prevent Odour mixing & things are easily to search also.# Unique drawer for keeping small items like my sons birthday celebration. I have keep leftover cake in same which actually save space & this box is also adjustable which is superb actually.# Cool pack is actually very useful like I use same in my terrace party I keep beer, cold drinks on it for maintaining chillness for longer.# Special boxes for spices my wife gives 5 star as I belong to typical north Indian family so keeping spices in these boxes increase their aroma freshness & prevent Odour mix up in other things as well.# Shelves quality is very fabulous. I was quite stunned to find their flexible storage options.# One more thing which I like the most is their cooling part, freshness of product which kept in same is very excellent. I definitely give full credit to their Compressor which they call Next Gen.In nut shell being a German brand product quality, design, innovation plays important role & moreover they work on 100% space utilisation, all utility features & superb energy efficiency like just a 221 units per year energy consumption is quite fabulous I found, I believe 5 Star Ratings to performance.

I am using Liebherr 220 Liters fridge since 8 Months, its working condition is simply Excellent. Faster cooling. Thick door Quality. Bigger vegetable box is very useful to us. I saw in other brands vegetable box is very small for storage. Easy to adjust. The shelfs are good.

We purchased the CS 20 7081 407-00 in November of 2010. Since that time, the ice maker has broken twice. The first time, the unit was under warranty and was replaced quickly. At the time the ice maker was replaced, the technician mentioned that the units were not well engineered and were a constant repair issue. Now we are out of warranty and face the repair bills for a piece of equipment that is poorly engineered and will surely break again. Dont buy this fridge with the ice maker, it will break and you will ultimately be stuck with the repair bills.

We bought a Liebherr double door refrigerator in Oct. 2018. Just after 2 and half years, there was an issue with cooling. It was found that there is gas leak from three places. We had to pay to refill the gas, much expensive than other brands. After paying for the repairs, we get only 3 months warranty. Overall, the experience was bad and stressful.

The ice maker on my Liebherr fridge stopped working a few weeks ago. The technician from Electra the agent for Liebherr in Israel diagnosed the problem and told me that for the parts and labor it would cost NIS2000 ($600) to do the repair work. I wrote an email to Liebherr Germany to tell them that I had sourced the same parts from their distributor in Holland at 50% of the price quoted in Israel. Germany sent a mail to Electra the Israel distributor and a few days later Electra called me to say that they would reduce the price of the parts to NIS1470 ($400). I subsequently brought the parts from Holland and had my own fridge mechanic do the repairs. He found that only 1 small part which costs NIS150 ($40) needed replacing as all the other parts which the Electra technician had said needed replacing were all in perfect working order.

The quality is very good... The freezer has a nice space.. You can freeze more things at a time... I have purchased it in last year Oct 2019. Compact and sturdy build quality, Good cooling effect, low noise, wide range in-built stabilizer. No need to put any stand below the fridge. Leg size is sufficient to clean the floor below, Compressor seems to be of good quality. Low cost compared to similar other brands.

In 16/09/2010 - 4 years ago I purchased SBSes 7353 Premium BioFresh NoFrost Liebherr Refrigerator. I knew (I thought) that it is very high quality and user friendly. And despite the high price relative to other brands I bought it. But week ago the BioFresh began to lose temperature. I called to local service and technician comes to check it. As he says there is a gas leak in the pipe located in the refrigerator body. And there is no way to fix it. The only option is exchange whole side (BioFresh and Freezer). And I need to buy it, which is half of whole refrigerator price that is only $1400! Another words after 4 years of use I need to buy new refrigerator!!! After that no response from customer service. No response for mails.

We wanted to love this fridge and we trusted the fact that it was a German. We have the 36 French door fridge and it is just an expensive piece of junk. It first broke about a year after purchase. First it was the ice maker, then the freezer stopped working and with time the fridge doors stopped closing properly. Even the rubber band around the door broke and the cables came out. The sensor beeps at random times, even in the middle of the night and we have to turn it off since the doors are actually closed and it is beeping for nothing. I have never seen anything like this! We tried repairing it twice but whatever they repaired broke again. All other appliances purchased around the same time work perfectly well. We have a German friend who purchased one too around the same time as us and he is experiencing the same problems. He is even more disappointed as he grew up thinking his countrys appliances were the best.After reading soo many similar experiences in the web we concluded that this company doesnt care about the quality of their fridges enough to address these problems. They make heavy duty equipment and other things that are not appliances and this could be just a small part of their revenue. Who knows why they are not addressing their customers complaints... What I know is that I have to throw away my fridge and buy a new one (some other brand) since spending more money in repairing is just not worth it.

Anyone who has read reviews of Liebherr refrigerators is aware that many are highly critical; most have ratings of 1-2 stars. There are also a lot of complaints about service assistance. That being said, our experience is different. We purchased two 28 refrigerator/freezer units when remodeling our kitchen in 2011. One unit has worked well until just recently. The other unit had multiple problems and after a number of attempts to repair it by several repair companies it was replaced, without charge, in January 2016. The second unit was fine until July of 2018 when the refrigerator temperature started to rise overnight, only to recover after the door was opened in the morning. After three service calls on this unit it too was determined to be unrepairable and it has just been replaced, at no cost to us, by Liebherr. Almost all of the interaction with Liebherr about the problems with our units was via email, and the customer service reps could not have been more helpful. As is obvious, we have had a lot of problems with these fridges. But the unit replaced nearly three years ago has been faultless. And the new units clearly show Liebherr’s efforts to make a better fridge. Newer door hinges, that self-close, are a real improvement. The new model has a metal indoor back panel to prevent the frequent complaints about the back icing up when food comes in contact with it. We went with Liebherr because of its clean, uncomplicated look and simple interior, and we continue to appreciate that. So I give 5 stars for customer satisfaction when problems arose. And 2-3 stars for equipment reliability, but hopefully their efforts toward continued product improvement will bring that rating higher. I’ll update after we have had the second unit for a while.

I, too, have never written a consumer review for an appliance Ive purchased, however I feel compelled to warn anyone thinking of purchasing one of these refrigerators. Almost every issue documented in previous reviews has also happened to me. The unit is three years old and it is, literally, falling apart. Any tray that relies on a plastic component is now broken - all the door trays are duct taped up and the freezer bins are cracked at every stress point. Every time I open the freezer, I hope to have a couple cubes of ice. The ice maker was repaired several times early on in the purchase, then flooded, and then produced 12 - 20 tiny cubes of ice daily for two years. Now its broken and my appliance company hopes to have luck getting Liebherr to respond to them. Its the most frustrating high end appliance I have ever chosen and I regret it every day.

I purchased 1 year back and technology very nice experience. Its noiseless and very much satisfied. Duo cooling Technology very cool feature. I am suggesting my friends and family members to buy this one to experience world class technology in refrigerator.

Liebherr having the best quality refrigerator available in market. Build quality is so good. I bought 346 ltr ref. This model is having some unique feature like ice twist, cool pack. The top most feature is spice boxes which make it different from other brand. We can store spices also in this refrigerator. Top quality material is used to make this ref.

I purchased this Liebherr 350 litre fridge. Initially there was some problem but when I complained they changed it for me and since then I have no issues. I had Samsung fridge which was OK but I wanted something very premium and with liebherr I got premium fridge and also some very cool features which are not in any refrigerator.

LIEBHERR 265 new brand fridge purchased in July month 2019 which has problem. Within a week lot of water coming out from fridge and complain made to customer care for fixing. Now again issue repeated and freeze is not working at all. No cooling happening & complete shutdown condition of fridge. Issue again reported to customer executive on high priority but no one visited or communicated yet. I request people to be careful while buying freeze based on advertisement. I am already suffering with buying this product.

I bought Liebherr refrigerator 2 years back and now every part of it ask maintenance every after 2-3 month. For me its waste of money because if I could bought any Local Indian brand it would be more convenient for me and long lasting. Never go for Liebherr.

In July of 2014, the ice maker on my Liebherr stopped working. Annoying, but not unexpected. I just let it go. Then, not two months later, the freezer stopped working. Had a Liebherr referred repairman out to determine the temperature sensor was no longer working. As of now (November!), still no parts, no sign of parts, and now the refrigerator is not working. Liebherr has been HORRIBLE in trying to resolve this issue. Im selling the house and am ending up having to purchase a brand new unit. Liebherr, never again!

This Liebherr CS1660 refrigerator was so beautiful, I loved it and it was perfect for my kitchen remodel. I love the counter depth and tall height. Unfortunately that was the only good thing about the refrigerator was the look. We have had 5 major repairs in the 4 years we have owned it. The repairs involved major malfunctions involving the ice maker (water leaking all over my wood floor), the defroster broke, some other major motor broke, the door handle fell off and the freezer motor broke (sorry I dont know the technical terms for each part). The plastic shelves on the door just fall out randomly and so are now so broken. They are now destroyed. I am so disappointed with the fridge. Thank goodness I purchased the extended warranty - the last repair was over $400. I no longer use the ice maker as the repair person said it will definitely break again as it is the same cheap plastic part being replaced. I loved this refrigerator so much and am so disappointed at the terrible quality and the number of major problems I have had. I still cant believe I paid over $4000 for this refrigerator and had a breakdown within the first 6 months. I dont normally write negative reviews but I sure do wish I had read the reviews of this refrigerator before purchasing.

Liebherr refrigerator performing very well without any disturbing noise and its cooling is very good. I can easily keep items in it because of its large size its performance. And one more important thing is that it consume minimum electricity

Good performance. Low consumption of electricity. In this the have of alarm that when the refrigerator door is open the alarm run. It is good because we can know whether the door is open or not. The service are good.

I have purchased Liebherr refrigerator in month of August 2021 and from 23rd October 2021. Fridge is not giving cooling.. And we have launched a complaint on 23rd October 2021 as it was Saturday so we were not able to contact so we again called on Monday (I.E 25/10/2021) for complaint customer care people. They accept our complaint and told that they will resolve our complaint within 48 hrs. But still on 29/10/2021 they havent resolved our complaint nor technician has contacted us... After so many call and reminder to customer care everyday their answer is that they keep call on hold and talk with their fake service team and they pass on message that our technician will come in 1st half. This answer I am receiving from last 4 days and we take again followup that your technician has not yet came so the answer is that he is in your area only he will come but from last 4 days he is in our area but cant come.... And today answer after follow up is same that they will come in 1st half and plus they are not providing technician number also.... Worst worst worst service at all...

Ive had my Liebherr refrigerator for a several years now. It looks good, but so many things have gone wrong with it from the beginning. The inside sweats, a lot. It has sweat so much that water pools in the bottom, under the crisper drawer, if I dont constantly wipe it out. In the freezer, the ice maker stopped working. The ice tray cracked and the mother board failed. It was a mess because water flowed into the ice drawer and froze. Since this is considered a high-end appliance, the repairs and replacement parts were not cheap either. My complaint is that it is a piece of junk with a high price tag, plus huge repair and replacement expenses. Never buying Liebherr again.

My experience was so different from what Im reading that Im compelled to comment. My model 1311, 24 wide with no ice maker, purchased in 2009, started beeping and stopped cooling seven years after I bought it. I would give it 5 stars, but seven years does seem like a short life for a fridge. As I wondered if it was covered by the limited extended 7-12 year warranty, I emailed the address given, asking how they could service a fridge in Vancouver, Canada, when they are in Ontario. They sent me the phone number of a local service person, said he would know if it was covered by warranty. Service person declared it unrepairable, said the company would phone me in a week about replacing the fridge, as it was covered by the warranty. They phoned in a week, and have replaced the fridge. The installer said that all the problems have been with the first generation models, and the new models seem to have the kinks worked out.

I came to know about Liebherr refrigerator from a close friend. Liebherr refrigerator is one of the best refrigerator which I had come across. I have been using since 3months. Top quality and accurate cooling.

Refrigerator leaks water all over my food. Repairman just left after explaining that if anything touches the interior back walls of the refrigerator it will leak water. Cant be fixed. So now I have to buy a new refrigerator. Wished I had read all the negative reviews before spending the big bucks.

I was bought in last year, but till date something happened in my fridge (ex. Vegetables spoiled). I approached for services, but their services are not good. After 1 year waranty expired, now I am asking for same issues in my fridge, but they told charges applicable. In waranty time they are not solve this problem in corona lockdown period. Till they want charges. So Products and services are very bad.

My son broke the plastic supports on the door shelf. I am online to see if I can order parts myself. I started reading the reviews. Wow, I had no idea people have so much problems. Mine is eight years old and I love it. Never had a problem. I yearly use a pipe cleaner to clean the drain hole, take off the vent cover, and vacuum the coils. I also have my fridge on a plug surge protector. I do so for all my rentals. I must have bought a gem.

I shamefully admit I bought 2 Liebherr fridges in 2009 and 2010. One SBS 7053 and one SBSes 7353 within one year of the other for two separate custom fitted kitchens. Both have had door handles fall off, door seals go rotten, leaking, clogged up drain bucket at the back (how am I supposed to reach that???) ice makers both broken and now both have broken down on the BioFresh/wine fridge sides affecting the freezer. If what I am reading all over the internet is true Liebherr has been selling and ignoring customers all over the world whose refrigerators have all had the same problems. How can they get away with it? It isnt as if this was a bargain fridge that you bought for $500 and can now throw out. Can anyone say class action?