Ice accumulating at bottom of 7353 freezer unit. Electra the local distributor refuses to assist and/or provide advice what to do before calling a technician which costs around 65$ before parts. The rep says: We do not provide any support on the phone. If you have a question you must schedule a technician and pay for it. Terrible attitude and support. Plastic drawers easily fall out and break and plastic handle parts that break. Will never buy one again.

After around 7 service calls, I gave up. No longer use the ice maker. Now for some reason, my freezer gave up. I have only owned it since 2007. For an expensive appliance, it is a huge disappointment.

I purchased 2 machines (CBN 3913 and CN 4003) in Sept 2011 and they were installed in a completely renovated kitchen in Oct 2011. CBN 3913 broke down on June 17th 2014. I contacted the service immediately and got someone to see it on June 25th (the earliest possibility for them). The mechanic said the machine is beyond repair and a few days later at the end of June it was agreed that I would get a new machine at the cost of the work. I have tried to enquire a couple of times with no response. I have been in readiness for my entire vacation to let the refrigerator be installed. The heat of July has caused a lot of inconvenience with the refrigerator missing. I wonder if I will have to wait for the other one to break down and get some cheaper and longer lasting machinery instead.

Simply says German quality refrigerator and nice look. Easy shifting racks and nice colour. Good feeling and after service is very good and very big vegetable box and good space is there in the refrigerator and good design.

If you think you purchased quality because it is German made think it again. After 5 month back and forth with their service department and dealing with different local service representatives they sent my refrigerator still is not cooling and no one seems to care. We are using our backup refrigerator in the garage.

I buy Liebherr fridge 2019 red colour first. I think new brand wired but product after service but after sales and service good, product also excellent, this is my 2nd fridge compare with my old fridge. This is excellent space and adjustment, big vegetable box. Good product given by Liebherr.

I purchased a Liebherr refrigerator from Abt in the Chicagoland area. The salesperson promoted it as a high-quality appliance, and it was costly. Yet it has been a source of aggravation and expense since the purchase; the temperature panel and door hinge (all plastic parts) break every two years. I am now waiting for the 3rd repair of these parts and hoping my food doesnt spoil, because the door now pops open at random times. On top of this several of the units drawers and shelf tops are also broken; they dont latch in place and often fall off/out. Because they are also made of thin plastic they easily crack. I would nor recommend this product.

Bought in Mid 2011 Large 3 door custom install. Off the hop freezer issues with frosting up. Tech made adjustments. Warranty is now over - Jan 2013. Now door hinge cylinder seal is gone too much money and currently living with it. Jan 2014 - Temp Alarm. Lost our food and had element replaced at my cost. June 2014, Ice maker isnt working and always questioned it...and the freezer is all frosted up again. Tech says $800 control board to fix plus plus plus...Havent yet had the Tech look at the compressor, Noisy! About to build my case to Liebherr but I am not holding my breath.

Product quality is best. Moon cut shelves and spice boxes are very useful and unique, no other brand have features like this. Nothing is bad but out of metro cities there is no any awareness of this brand.

Purchased both units (Built in refrigerator and freezer) in December of 2011. Problems started right away with inconsistent temperatures in the refrigerator, after service calls it was never resolved. We bought a 5 year extended warranty for both machines, it is a good thing we did. Now three years later the freezer ice maker has been replaced and I am sure it will need to be again. The refrigerator has never cooled properly but as of late forms heavy ice on the back to a point that the drawers cannot close which means that the door will not close. After several service calls the ice problem may be resolved but the inside temperature is now never higher 30 degrees f., and you cannot turn it off. If you want it to stop you must unplug it, no small task with a built in. After living with these very badly built machines for the last three years I truly believe that the only place that you will get less for your money is with a speeding ticket. Having owned Sub Zero for many trouble free years in the past, I can assure you that they will get our business next time.

LIEBHERR 265 new brand fridge purchased in Jan month 2019 which has problem in freezer and full ice cubes on the walls and water bubbles on wall and fail in testing for second time. Moreover it is getting ice cubes on the fruits and vegetables. My experience is very bad. As of now from the company side they it replaced and will get new, however it is not confirmed that we get issues after one year, so please be careful while purchasing new brands. We spend 28000 rupees but not satisfy and total waste of time.

Brought this brand refrigerator 6 months back and this refrigerator performance was excellent and other features like spice box is very much useful to keep spices and storage of milk products separate compartment.

It has been a good experience with this refrigerator. No starting trouble was felt when we started using it. It is easy to maintain the refrigerator. Cleaning wasnt a big problem. Overall a good refrigerator.

This is the most expensive fridge freezer we have ever purchased and it is rubbish. It doesnt seem to freeze food correctly and if I try to freeze an unfrozen item it can take 2 days to become solid. The warning buzzer is VERY ANNOYING, it is like a race against the clock to put shopping away. I just hate it, I wish I had never seen this make in Currys and stuck with the Whirlpool I had for years and just replaced the broken shelves.

The Liebherr Refrigerator water drain on the back of the fridge that is located in the non freezer section midway down the vertical fridge is not allowing the water to drain down. I have to extract the collected water by using a syringe to draw water I can every day. The fridge works fine but there are constant beepings, even when the door is closed. Today I took out the plastic trays and one had frost build up that I had to wash the frozen ice off with hot water. A service man came over a year ago and fixed the draining matter but it has returned. Any advice? Otherwise the fridge works well.

We are using the above product from last 5 years.. It has good storage capacity. Not a single complaint till now. Suitable for humid environment also. It has good temperature control. I will highly recommend this product.

We have owned C 16 model of Liebherr refrigerator since 2014. Over that time, we have had multiple issues - from breaking shelves on the front door, to the front metal handle coming off, to constant leaking inside, etc. It has been non-stop, and we are sick and tired to dealing. Never in my life have I had issues with multiple plastic parts breaking of a fridge... We are a small family of three, so the problems cannot be blamed on the extensive usage. It is just a cheaply built appliance. Please, save your money, time and nerve cells, and stay away from this model.

Excellent Guidance from selection of model to installation. On time delivery with minimum followup. Very friendly executives. Product Interior quality very high compared to other refrigerators. Very much happy to choose the right quality product.

I am the unhappy owner of a Liebherr KGT-4066 refrigerator. I bought the appliance in April of 2000 for 1300 euros thinking that I bought a first rate fridge with two motors that would last for many years. Almost immediately, the problems started. First, it was a minor problem with the thermostat, and I didnt mind so much the money the authorized technician charged me. Alas, it was only the beginning. In the years that followed, many plastic parts of the interior (drawers, baskets, trays) broke and had to be replaced, with considerable cost. Most importantly, the door seal had cracks almost from the second year but when I asked the authorized technician to replace it, he answered that it meant to replace the whole door, which cost 250 Euros! So I never replaced it. To make a long story short, although the motor still works fine, I use shelves from my old fridge and I cannot store a single bottle of water on the door shelves since there is no remaining plastic hook to hang them on. I would never recommend this fridge to anyone. It was an expensive fridge with cheap, defective plastic parts.

Dont make the mistake of buying a Liebherr Refrigerator from Alpine Appliance in Vail, CO. Alpine service and understanding of these refrigerators is embarrassingly poor. First and foremost, in the context of Liebherr quality, I can safely and confidently say that Liebherr cannot be talked about in the same sentence as Sub-Zero. I now I understand why Liebherr is significantly less expensive, because it should be! I must respectfully ask how can you comment on the quality of Liebherr when you yourself and your service staff did not know that this model was not self-closing; additionally your service person told me that fridge always rocks until you fill it up, yet the other day he found out for the first time there was something he had not learned or done that would have prevented the fridge from rocking. What I found funny is that your service guys replaced a part to eliminate the rock, which obviously was both unnecessary and unexplainable.At a minimum, isnt your job to teach your service guys how to properly install a refrigerator you sell and so call service. Your email response albeit appreciated was condescending at best but very consistent with the quality of your service, so not surprising. Your one service guy was blown away when he called Liebherr tech support only to learn that this model is not self-closing! His exact words were there are $500 refrigerators that have this most basic feature. On a positive note, the refrigerator does keep food cold and fresh which a guess is a positive.

New ref CS-1200 delivered 6/14, refrigerator stopped working 8/14, service company fixed 2 months later (part was back ordered), broke down again 2 weeks later, took 2 more weeks and still does not work. Customer service at Liebherr is terrible. They screwed up my address which delayed service, their parts always seem to be on back order, they dont follow up. I have been waiting for a supervisor to contact me for a month. Now when I call customer service, they hang up and was told not to call again. Ref is under warranty and has not worked. The servicing company no longer wants to deal with Liebherr because their customer service is so bad. I really liked the ref when I ordered it but since it doesnt work and their customer service is so bad and the servicing company doesnt want to service Liebherr anymore I would think twice before purchasing.

Im using Liebherr refrigerator. Im very happy with performance....like Quality excellent, energy efficiency specially spice box, Vario safe, Vegetable sorting, cool pack, even no noice from compressor ....

I had already heard about the brand Liebherr as my brother is working at Germany. When we wanted a refrigerator to our house, my brother strongly suggest me to get a liebherr refrigerator. So went in search for it and got one. Superb product, looks premium.

The worst purchase I have ever made. I write to advise consumers to avoid Liebherr fridge freezers at all costs. I purchased a Liebherr fridge for my daughter in October 2016 and my daughter has been experiencing problems ever since. The fridge had never run at the proper temperature. The temperature is never constant and is always below 38F, it is closer to 50 and lower. We have been told that there is nothing wrong with the fridge. Now we have been told to keep the fridge-freezer at the highest setting at all times! The company refuses to accept the fridge-freezer is faulty. My daughter is therefore stuck with a malfunctioning fridge that is unlikely to last much beyond its 2-year guarantee.

Product is good with good cooling, door is hard to open. Once closing the door and try to open, one should hold the refrigerator and door handle to pull. I trying to open just with handle the refrigerator shakes by changing the position and food inside will shake and fall or spill.

Working very good, worthy money, good product, I am using this refrigerator, is very good, very huge inside space, everything is good, I am really satisfied with this refrigerator, everything perfect. Worth money.

This was a very expensive unit that is designed to be integrated with your kitchen cabinets by placing panels on the doors and freezer compartments. The left door doesnt close properly and you must open both doors in order to close them together otherwise you cant close the left door. They refuse to help me out with the problem and they say I must contact the cabinet installer, when I know and they know that is not the problem. A terrible company to deal with. The amount paid for this refrigerator is more than 3 times what a normal refrigerator does where the doors close properly. I read that many people have the same issue and it is a recurring one, but the company refuses to address the problem. Would not recommend it to anyone. A big disappointment and frustration. Choose another brand if you want to avoid a big headache.

Hii guys I had purchased a new Liebherr refrigerator from vijay sales, I had suggested by vijay sales employee.. with the explanation I had purchased it after using the refrigerator I had seen a excellent performance by refrigerator, perfect cooling and services is also good and I got lot of space in this and I had spice boxes also. I suggest to buy liebherr refrigerator to my friends & relatives also.... I suggest you also to buy such good product and its worth of cost....

LIEBHERR 265 new brand fridge purchased in July month 2019 which has problem. Within a week lot of water coming out from fridge and complain made to customer care for fixing. Now again issue repeated and freeze is not working at all. No cooling happening & complete shutdown condition of fridge. Issue again reported to customer executive on high priority but no one visited or communicated yet. I request people to be careful while buying freeze based on advertisement. I am already suffering with buying this product.

Hello members, I have taken fridge 290. lts nice product and good service in this product and I like good cooling in this product with good quality and service. I have will get some more products in this brand, I hope vl receive soon. Thank you Liebherr

This is the first time we have ever written a review about a product as we are normally tolerant. Our experience with the Liebherr refrigerator has, however, been so appalling that we felt we had to write about it to warn others off. The problems we have had relate to endless issues with the ice maker, the doors not closing properly, the doors not staying open properly, the handle coming loose very early on and, more recently, the endless quantities of ice that are forming on the back wall of the fridge itself (see enclosed photo). Three months ago we were told that a seal would solve this problem and that it would take 4 to 8 weeks to deliver but we are still waiting. What is nice about the fridge is its look but to quote a well known cliche, Dont judge a book by its cover. Finally, the issues we had began just five months after buying the fridge.

We bought our Liebherr 8 years ago. We have had nothing but problems since the very beginning. In less than a year, shelves break, the gaskets rips apart, the shelves in the doors cant withstand normal use, the ice maker works intermittently, etc. Weve had a repairman out at least once every year and a half. Currently, we get ice build-up on the bottom of the freezer. Now our fridge will not work at all. Given the price point, I expected so much more. I never had problems with my cheaper appliance! My warning to you - dont buy it!

We recently bought the Liebherr TCb2640 which eases the use of our storage as a family of 2. The spice box has been helpful to make life easy in storing spices and so has the vegetable sorter system. Its compact design and the the size fits in the space and kitchen. The shelves are easy to adjust making some space at the last minute enables it to double up the ease to store more. The installation took place in short duration of time and serviced well by the engineer. I thoroughly recommend the same if youre looking for a compact refrigerator with fully added features.

I have never had any problems with refrigerators that cost $300-$500. They just ran forever until they died at a ripe old age. But I wanted a counter depth fridge for a renovation and six years ago, Liebherr was cheaper than US brands like subzero. SO I paid $3000 for this hunk of junk, which started malfunctioning the first year. The sensor had to be replaced three times--and the repair people put it in upside down once. After the first year, I had to pay at least $150 to get it diagnosed--not fixed, diagnosed.When you pay $3000 for a fridge, you expect it to work or be fixed for free. The fridge continued to malfunction periodically beeping and warming. Usually I could fix it. But recently it died. The lights just went out and the buttons didnt respond. The beeping wouldnt go off even when I tripped the fuse. It was driving me crazy. I finally put a heavy blanket over the fridge to mute the noise. I paid my super $100 to fix it. He unplugged and replugged it. Within two weeks it died again--the only thing working was the incessant beep. I had to wear earplugs. I called the Liebherr repair people and it cost $160 for them to come out and tell me that the computer was faulty and would cost $1000 to replace. This is truly the refrigerator that keeps on costing. But they did show me a neat trick to keep it alive. I think it was press the power and alarm button on the right and increase the freezer number to as high as it will go. This resets the lights and the readings--false though they said they may be. I dont care, as long as its cold. I would rather buy another fridge that works than pay another $1000 for this defective part. If you ask me, Liebherr is a terrible company and would advise anyone not to buy anything from them--especially a fridge.

Style-wise it is good compared to other brands and performance is also very good compared to my old fridge. Everything stay fresh for long time by eco fresh technology and I 100% recommend to whoever looking to buy new refrigerator.

I bought Liebherr fridge in 2018..346l blue colour... Its really cool looking and good for modular kitchen... I recommend everyone to buy this fridge... But dont worry about reviews.. This is really best product.

I was bought in last year, but till date something happened in my fridge (ex. Vegetables spoiled). I approached for services, but their services are not good. After 1 year waranty expired, now I am asking for same issues in my fridge, but they told charges applicable. In waranty time they are not solve this problem in corona lockdown period. Till they want charges. So Products and services are very bad.

The quantities can be stored and preserved from being rotten. It is spacious to store things. It contains a very good freezer in it and it is maintained at stable temperature. I love this refrigerator. It remains new even after years of buying it.

Advanced technology with advanced electrical temperature sensors which provide perfect cooling as per required storage. And special feature like spice box to store our spice to avoid moisture or aroma of spices.

We have had our Liebherr refrigerator repeated every other month. Specifically, the ice machine. We could have purchased a brand new refrigerator for the same amount we have spent repairing it at this point. Bottom line..This product sucks! Buyer beware!!

In summer 2008 we bought for €1500 what we thought was a state of the art built in refrigerator, the Liebherr IKB 3650. Only 3 years later - in 2011 - the door started not closing properly and cooling was poor. The local service replaced (after 3 visits) the heavy duty door hinges for €200 (past warranty period). The year after - 2012 - cooling was poor again. They came again and changed a sensor, plus check the fan, for another €70-80. It started working again somehow better. In 2013 cooling was poor again (10-12 Celsius) and they came over and over, changing more sensors, for which they did not charge spare parts, only visit labour time €40.Finally in June 2014 cooling was poor again. The local service came another 2-3 times, charging another €77 for changing a sensor and check. Nothing happened. They came back and placed a monitoring device for 3-4 days. After this they said they have to replace the motherboard (€160), which they did, yet nothing improved. Then they said they must take it to their premises and fix it and this is what we did. After 23 days (!!!) they told me its ready and I have to pay another €193 for the new compressor motor, while the appliance is totally new!!!They brought it home, it worked for 10 days and then dropped dead. They told me it is not repairable, they can only return to me the value of the latest spare parts, buy it back by offering me a discount of €600 on the price of the new model and bring me the new IKB 3550-20. Pls note that due to the built-in construction in my kitchen, I have very limited choices for a fridge. I accepted, paying the difference of €500 and today they brought it. Reading the reviews on your site, I wonder if I made a BIG MISTAKE and if I should better find and buy another brand????

Liebherr fridge freezer Model 1611 - I bought this freezer fridge combination in 2011. Now in 2014 the freezer door seal does not work properly anymore and ice is building up near the door seal. Having a seal fail just a year after the warranty expires, I consider as very poor quality for an appliance that was over $4000 in 2011. When I called customer service for a replacement part I was told that the part is on back order and no time of delivery could be given. So not only do Liebherr appliances break but they also have a subpar part service at least in the USA. Also the replacement requires gluing and is not for everyone. I cannot recommend buying one of those again and would rather go with a Bosch or GE freezer/fridge in the future.

If you want buy refrigerator so please buy LIEBHERR. German brand refrigerator. Lg Samsung Voltas and @hirlpool is only brand but if you want space and perfect cooling so buy only LIEBHERR. Is best refrigerator in India.

Hello. I am Vishwa from Calicut. Liebherr Fridge new 260 liters refrigerator Steel finish is very good. Purchase it looking at German brand. Good quality. Service response is fast and also available on mobile.

My husband and I won 2007 Obie award for Best Kitchen remodel in Georgia. The Liebherr fit my requirements inside and held the decorative panels on the outside. Almost immediately we had problems the other consumers had. Ice maker has broken down twice after 2 years of usage... $900 replacement. The so called cooler unit freezes up and once or more a year I get to defrost the ice in the back. It constantly drips inside the refrig. unit thus having to wet vacuum the bottom to get out the water. Liebherr refused to acknowledge all my problems. A technician was sent out and he couldnt adjust any temperature to make things any better. You can believe that my customers know never to buy this for their kitchen. It is sweating so much inside now that I believe it is on its last leg.

Hi guys, LIEBHERR Refrigerator is a good brand in our India because its a Germany brand and hes cooling and hes service. I used LG and Samsung fridge but not LIEBHERR Refrigerator is best compared to others brand.

Two issues: The main problem is a seriously flawed design in their model RI-1400 refrigerator. A fatal flaw that they should cover as a defect and not rely on the its out of warranty gambit. The problem. Every 18-24 months the temperature sensor fails and the refrigerator becomes a freezer. Totally useless at that point.Then the real issue. They refuse to support the problem. They rely on policy that I have to work through a dealer, even though not one within 100 miles. They WILL NOT sell me the sensor, even though I know its the problem and have fixed it myself once before. They forced me to order it through a dealer and they had issues of their own. They would not give them a price until they placed an order and they would not sell to them on account - forced them to use a personal credit card! When it works, it works great. But a refrigerator that fails every 2 years - like clockwork - is no bargain. And you will be without a refrigerator for days/weeks while you work through Liebherrs anti customer service. DO NOT BUY LIEBHERR.

Liebherr looks good but thats where it stops. We purchased a new one but after over 12 trips in 1 1/2 years for diagnosis, replacement, or providing loaners - the retailer finally gave us another new one! [They had already replaced three sensors [one twice], the main module, a thermistor, the door seal, even the door {The Consumer Product Safety Commission had already faulted them for the problem}]. Well the new one started giving us problems after 18 months.The alarm would go off in the middle of the night. Nothing else appeared wrong. We called the retailer - they responded a month later. The temperatures of both the refrigerator and freezer gyrated wildly. [The digital temperatures on the top did not correspond to a refrigerator thermometer that was accurate on other devices]. Liebherr said there was nothing they could do because our warranty was over. Dont expect customer service. The refrigerator is now gone.

Very good product and special service. Interior of the fridge is very beautiful and when door open got alarm sound. I very like it and I suggest to our family and friends. Very secured covering back grills.

Bought the Liebherr Refrigerator past week and pretty much happy with the amount of space it provides to contain all our necessities. Also, vegetables kept in stays fresh even after few days of its storage. All in all the fridge is value for money spent. The refrigerator generates adequate amount of cooling and helps keep all food items fresh and edible at all times. I am very happy with my choice of refrigerator and that makes me feel its the best.

Every day my husband says I love this new refrigerator. It is a french door with a door-in-door and the black stainless color is wonderful! Plenty of ice too! This refrigerator cost less than a high end brand and yet has all the features!

Price worth product....happy with the working of the product.. Cooling of the refrigerator is also quite good.... Surely I will recommend this product to my friends and family. Really a good product..

The last time that happened, in January 2021, I was no longer able to resurrect the IceMaker. So I called a Technical Service, the next day a technician came, made a series of checks and determined that the fault was in the electronic board that did not give voltage to the mini-pump that supplied water to the ice bucket. As I am trained in industrial electronics, I disassembled that board, and made a magnifying glass inspection. The board appeared to be fine, with SMD components, and no components were burned. It was also varnished which made it resist moisture well. The technician sent me a budget amounting to € 250. This was not an exorbitant price to change a plate at home, but at a glance, that plate did not cost more than € 80 COST. It is already known that later prices increase with transport, working hours, travel, etc. (they charge between € 50 and € 60 per hour). What I already questioned was if the problem was with the plate. I then called another Official Service recommended by Liebherr. That technician started looking at the upper reservoir, as he said he doubted the plate was to blame. Looking a little over that reservoir (which includes the mini-pump), he determined that it needed to be replaced. He budgeted me € 425 for the repair, since to replace that tank the refrigerator had to be removed - it is paneled - between two technicians and therefore the labor became more expensive. As I am quite skilled, I disassembled the tank myself (which the technician did not do), removed the pump, disassembled it and saw that the little motor, which does not cost even 3 € in China, had the shaft stuck. I unhooked it and reassembled the pump. I mounted the tank, and the Ice Maker worked again. Seeing the reference of the mini-pump, searching the Internet, it appeared that it was made in China (of course) AND IT COSTS € 16. In other words, the Technical Service should know that replacing the € 16 pump does not require more than half an hour, it is not necessary to remove the refrigerator, and it would have cost me about € 150 instead of € 425. So it seems that the seminars of Training of these technicians leaves much to be desired.

Worst company ever! Sells bad units and doesnt care about their customers at all! Zero customer service and take no responsibility for their products. They dont stand behind what they sell. I paid $2800 for a 24 refrigerator and was told theyre comparable to Thermador. What a JOKE. Im stuck with a crap unit which hasnt worked for a single day and they wanna try to REPAIR IT!!! Terrible company. I should be receiving a replacement.

I will never buy this product. PLEASE Stay away from this company. I spent $5,000 on this unit and the company tried to correct it and it kept breaking. The refrigerator looks very nice but very poor quality.

As you know if youre reading this a Liebherr Refrigerator costs as much as a decent used car. For that kind of money youd think you would get quality. Youd think if something breaks there would be a repair network for it. Youd think the customer service people would try to help. Youd be dead wrong on all counts. I have had a Liebherr refrigerator freezer that has been a continual nightmare. The icemaker has been broken almost since we installed the appliance. Weve given up on that after endlessly trying to get it fixed. Now the freezer is not working. For the past three weeks we have had no freezer. I cannot get a repair person out here. I live in a major west-coast metro area. I could understand that it would be hard to get a repair if I were in some remote location, but that is not the case. Of the repair people Liebherr recommended only one would respond. They came out, pulled the unit out of its cabinet, damaging the veneer in the process. Took the back off and decided that another person would have to come out and look at it. For this they billed me $160. After a week, I called and was told they couldnt deal with it. I had the credit card company stop payment and were still trying to resolve that. Second person was from about 50 miles away and would only come out if I agreed to pay him $300. Cash only, no checks, no credit card. I agreed because I need a freezer. He did nothing. Ran some diagnostics. Told me I needed two parts and he would only come back if I paid him another $300. Cash. And Id have to get the parts. These are the best people Liebherr could recommend. This is so sleazy that it borders on criminal. I decided Id had enough with Liebherr and went shopping for a replacement unit thinking Id be better off just cutting my losses at this stage. As it happened the local rep was in the store when I was there. He told me hed work to get it straightened out. So, several days later repairman number 3 shows up. He takes the freezer apart and decides he cant do anything and anyway, hes going on vacation for two weeks so hell get back to me. I have spent untold hours on the phone with these people. I have dealt with three of their repair people. The only thing I have to show for it is a $300 cash payment to one of them and a credit card battle with the other. My freezer is still not functional. My icemaker has never worked. You would be out of your mind to buy a Liebherr anything.

After seeing at least 50 refrigerator brands I came across the brand Liebherr that has been new in India. After careful comparison and analysing what would suit my kitchen. The Liebherr TCss 3540 is unusually different and I must say classy cause the Stainless steel look is different from the other refrigerators Ive seen. With immense space and adjustable shelves I could make space for everything. The highlight of the refrigerator that amazed me is the various shelf. Its the most useful feature where I can store the delicate essentials. I would give this refrigerator a thumbs up and perfect for those who love cooking and baking. Did I mention this cool pack that doubles up to store the drinks when you have a party. Check this one out. If youre looking for class and features Liebherr TCss 3540 is perfect for you.

I purchased 1 year back and technology very nice experience. Its noiseless and very much satisfied. Duo cooling Technology very cool feature. I am suggesting my friends and family members to buy this one to experience world class technology in refrigerator.

The Liebherr Home refrigerator is simply horrible. I strongly recommend against purchase of a Liebherr refrigerator. The inside walls get wet with moisture. It ruins your food. The refrigerator is advertised as frost free. I have never experienced this with a new refrigerator before.

I have purchased Liebherr refrigerator in month of August 2021 and from 23rd October 2021. Fridge is not giving cooling.. And we have launched a complaint on 23rd October 2021 as it was Saturday so we were not able to contact so we again called on Monday (I.E 25/10/2021) for complaint customer care people. They accept our complaint and told that they will resolve our complaint within 48 hrs. But still on 29/10/2021 they havent resolved our complaint nor technician has contacted us... After so many call and reminder to customer care everyday their answer is that they keep call on hold and talk with their fake service team and they pass on message that our technician will come in 1st half. This answer I am receiving from last 4 days and we take again followup that your technician has not yet came so the answer is that he is in your area only he will come but from last 4 days he is in our area but cant come.... And today answer after follow up is same that they will come in 1st half and plus they are not providing technician number also.... Worst worst worst service at all...

This refrigerator has worked with no issues for as long as we have owned it approximately four years. My only complaint is the size which provides limited storage but this is not the fault of the unit but rather the result of living in a Condo which has restricted room.

Product is value for money. Till now had a good experience this refrigerator of this to be continued worth money, good product, Need to be provide good services, the services and good but sometimes delayed.

I purchased this Liebherr 350 litre fridge. Initially there was some problem but when I complained they changed it for me and since then I have no issues. I had Samsung fridge which was OK but I wanted something very premium and with liebherr I got premium fridge and also some very cool features which are not in any refrigerator.

We bought a Liebherr refrigerator for a house we were building in Nicaragua. With our 20 ceilings I loved the height. The thin plastic drawers broke immediately. Then the rest started failing. The cover of the manual had one warranty period. In small print inside they had a much shorter period. I waited to repair it as I thought I had years. Wrong. We just replaced the 3 years old refrigerator with one that cost less than the last three years of repairs. Of course we will have to spend some on cabinetry because the new refrigerator is shorter. In the 20 years of our SubZero we spent less than 2 years of the Liebherr. We waited so long for repairs that we bought a second refrigerator to substitute. The Liebherr was purchased in Nicaragua, at a top kitchen dealer.

I had purchased the Liebherr fridge on August -2020 and since yesterday I am facing cooling issue. I had called customer care and their mechanic visited but in vain and informed me that there is a gas leakage and it can only repaired by Monday. I am surprised and asked him that in Mumbai you are taking 5 days to just to fill the gas, What we should do in this case. I requested lot of times but I didnt got any response... SUCH A POOR SERVICE and Quality of Fridge is very bad.. I suggest not to take this fridge.

I bought a Liebherr refrigerator - CNes 4003, Index 20/001 in April 2009 and after almost 4 years, I found out that I should throw it away since the insulation at the back was destroyed and it could not be fixed. Obviously, this was the last thing I would expect to hear since I had bought this appliance for 1200 euros at the time from a trustworthy & reliable brand in order to ensure peace of mind. Luckily, my high expectations were not turned down. The customer service in Germany has confronted my case with great professionalism and in a timely manner and I was offered to exchange my appliance with a new one with similar characteristics with my refrigerator and free of charge although the warranty had expired long ago. I promised them to acknowledge their response and professionalism since I believe that apart from complaints, we should also share positive experiences and give credit to the people who are able to listen customers voice & respond with efficiency to fair requests. Mr Andreas **, Technical Manager, Refrigerators & Freezers Division, thank you again for your professionalism.

The ice maker on my Liebherr fridge stopped working a few weeks ago. The technician from Electra the agent for Liebherr in Israel diagnosed the problem and told me that for the parts and labor it would cost NIS2000 ($600) to do the repair work. I wrote an email to Liebherr Germany to tell them that I had sourced the same parts from their distributor in Holland at 50% of the price quoted in Israel. Germany sent a mail to Electra the Israel distributor and a few days later Electra called me to say that they would reduce the price of the parts to NIS1470 ($400). I subsequently brought the parts from Holland and had my own fridge mechanic do the repairs. He found that only 1 small part which costs NIS150 ($40) needed replacing as all the other parts which the Electra technician had said needed replacing were all in perfect working order.

Dear Customers, Vendors of Liebherr refrigerator and Liebherr organisation. I am a genuine customer and not a competitor. My name is Pracheta and my details will be found in Vijay Sales Panvel, as well as in Liebherr customer service. Please note buying Liebherr refrigerator has been my worst experience with an electrical appliance bought ever. This is the first time we bought a Liebherr product with a lot of expectations. Within a 6-7 months use, we have had issues with extreme cooling, water leakage from fridge - leading to health & sanitation issues of my family. My family has also suffered from food poisoning due to spoilt food and erratic cooling conditions of the fridge. There used to be continuous water leakage inside the fridge spoiling all raw vegetables, masalas and also cooked food. There were times, when there was no cooling and sometimes extreme cooling. After logging a complaint for the first time with customer care on 23rd July **, a technician came within 2 days and mentioned that the issue needs to be checked and updated to head office for resolution. A second round of at least 10 follow ups thought 3 weeks, Arun ** obliged and assured that fridge will be replaced. This promise also seemed empty as it took more than a week and a series of follow ups to replace the fridge. Now finally after the packed fridge has arrived, my family has to go through another series of waiting for installation. Finally today I have a packed fridge + old fridge gone - with practically no fridge to use and another long wait for a technician to install. Engineers do not work after 6pm, but Liebherr is ok to have a customer have the worst experience since a month. My details of the fridge purchase with my details are available for the company to validate.

Had purchased the fridge in July 2019. Worked for a year and in August 2020 the cooling issue started. After demonstrating a complaint on 2nd Sept 2020 even after continuous follow up till date the service engineer has not dropped to attend the breakdown. Would not give even a single star for the product. They are not worth for that too.

We bought a Liebherr split door refrigerator/freezer (2 drawers) about 8 years ago. Nothing but a headache. The fridge is fine but the ice maker function has been impossible. It was replaced about 6 times in the first couple of years. Now it is broken and impossible to get the parts needed to fix it. The glass shelf on the left door just fell and broke on its own. Service for these units is difficult to find, expensive, and replacement parts seem nonexistent. Purchase a fridge that can be serviced and maintained more easily. Expensive appliance that is nearly impossible to fix.

I bought this fridge in November last year for my Parents who are living in India and it broke down in 7 months. It took ages to get someone to look at it and so it took another few weeks to get the part ordered. Now company won’t have people who can come and fix the part and every time we call they are giving us different dates but no one is showing up on any dates given so far.When other family member called and ask if we can order a new fridge and when can we get delivered the response was straight away, We can deliver you next working day. So company have people to deliver the New fridge but not to attend the service for broken fridge. When we ask why is it like that the company spoke person don’t have answer for it. My parents are senior citizens And living by themselves and now have to struggle with this situation on daily basis and don’t have any fridge to store food from last few weeks have to buy daily essentials everyday especially in Covid pandemic when they shouldn’t be going out much. There is lack of customer care and no one is being helpful even though fridge comes with 10 years warranty. I highly recommend not to purchase this product as you will have lot of trouble to get it fixed if anything goes wrong.

I found Liebherrs Facebook site (for their excavating equipment) and wrote them a nasty note saying I hoped their excavating stuff worked better than their fridge/freezers. I heard back from them immediately! So I sent them the entire story. They got in touch with the store it was purchased from and who did the repairs. Liebhherr agreed to pay for all parts/labor for repairs. It seems that all the freon had leaked out! Ive never heard of this in some 50 years of owning fridges of various makes and ages. Their repair people couldnt even find where the leak was so Liebherr replaced the entire unit (and as they had changed the dimensions since the original unit was purchased, they also replaced the fridge part). So Im satisfied, but it took public shaming on FB to get anything done. However, I would never recommend their fridge/freezers to anyone. Dont know about their excavating equipment.

Liebherr refrigerator performing very well without any disturbing noise and its cooling is very good. I can easily keep items in it because of its large size its performance. And one more important thing is that it consume minimum electricity

The 24 cannot keep a steady temp. The back wall of the No Frost freezer is thick with ice and its alarm beeps throughout the night (need to wake every 3 hours) but this is not all. Yesterday as I tried to nudge a recalcitrant freezer drawer in place with a small push, the under separation panel (made in glass!!!) jumped out to hit me and land on the floor to shatter in thousand pieces... A repair man came today and had the nerve to scold me about being too rough with the drawer. Its very sensitive you must be very careful!!! (I am in Spain where I guess they dont know about quality fridges.) Oh ya, a real beauty!

We bought the Liebherr when we were renovating our kitchen in 2009. I just opened the site to see how to make the freezer stop beeping. I was not surprised to see that we experienced just about every complaint in the recent postings. We had the second authorized repairman 8 times. I could not find the paperwork for the first repairman. Our first complaint when the refrigerator arrived was the pokey ice production. Our dealer contacted Liebherr and was told that Europeans dont use as much ice as Americans. That was a stunning reply since I bought in the US. Then we started having constant problems with the French doors closing. We had many visits from the first repairman, after which the second repairman , who seemed more knowledgeable, repaired the doors. We had to have the suction trim replaced. We also had a problem with the back of the refrigerator freezing, clogging the drain. The two drawers filled with water and the fresh produce kept freezing. The refrigerator has been a huge disappointment. From our experience, I would never recommend this refrigerator. My husband & I recall our parents having the same refrigerator for our entire childhoods. Those days are surely long gone.

I shopped for 2 years to find the perfect fridge for my small kitchen, and Leibherrs model was the best for many reasons, namely its exceptional 5 year warranty, sleek design and efficiency. Given that I have had 3 major parts replaced within its first year of use (note: I live alone so minimum wear and tear), I am grateful for the warranty. The two different local technical service companies that have repaired it have also been exceptional. My complaint is with Leibherr customer service in Orlando or Miami, FL at 866-543-2437 who I must contact to initiate a service call. Initially, they are responsive and helpful, but on at least two occasions they have sent the wrong parts, even when they have my correct model in writing. When one lives in a hot, humid environment and without a fridge for 2-3 weeks to wait for the needed parts and then wait another 3 days for the techs to schedule a visit, the inconvenience and expense of waiting is very stressful, at best. In addition, the service reps who answer the phone have given me wrong advice of how to mitigate the situation until the techs show up, i.e. not to defrost, not to shut the unit off, etc. When the techs come, they must return later after it defrosts or blow dry my unit before they can even start to repair it. Given my above efforts, I escalated to their management: namely Shauna and Chris. I was always told that they were in meetings and promised that they would return my call, which never happened. Initially, Shauna replied via email and offered to connect me higher management, but she never followed up. The rep who answered the phone refused to give me the last name of Chris, the manager at the site nor him email address. Please note that I have tried repeatedly to express my frustrations directly with them before writing this review. When one spends $3,000.00 USD on a small fridge, wouldnt one expect better customer service from the manufacturer?

Bought an expensive Liebherr fridgefreezer in September 2016 which failed whilst we were on holiday 10 months later. So contents ruined and no compensation from Liebherr or Appliance City who we purchased it from. Independent engineer was sent to diagnose problem and was told twice by Liebherr to regas it, even though it was leaking! Surely dangerous and not going to solve the problem at all! So the nice engineer wrote off the fridgefreezer and we have spent 3 weeks trying to get a replacement under the warranty.Many, many phone calls and emails were needed to chase Liebherr and Appliance City. Neither of them would take responsibility for changing it, both trying to delay as much as possible and telling blatant lies about not having it in stock and exceedingly delayed delivery of another month before they could get one to us in the hope we gave up chasing it. New one just arrived... Will have to see how long it lasts! Great style and massive capacity though.

This is the product that could be great if only the parent company would allow it to be great. Some of the problems weve encountered have been solved (for our needs, anyway). The major problem has not. Some of this will help you, I think. Some of it will annoy you more. Icing on the back of the fridge. There will always be frost and, especially in humid climates, some ice on the back of the fridge. This is a compromise for the depth of the fridge. We put meats and other items like pickles, etc, at the very back of the fridge to keep them as cold as possible. Theres a risk of it freezing if you rest it against the back. We live in an apartment and are used to these compromises. If you live in a house, get a bigger fridge that cools itself more traditionally.Icing and drain plug clogging. These are related issues in our experience. For whatever reason, the fridge circulation fan is defaulted to the off position. With this off you will get a lot more icing on the back of the fridge. This will then clog your drain plug with ice. Turn the fan on and occasionally check to see if it is still on - a power outage will turn it off again. Weve had it running for about a year and no more ice issues.What to do if the drain plugs up. You will need to defrost the fridge completely and have it turned off - leave the doors open. Wait until the ice melts. If there are sheets of ice, wait until they sort of melt, then pull them out - otherwise, expect large puddles. We poured some hot water from the tap (not boiled water) into the drain to help it along, but that took forever. Nows a good time to clean the back wall of the fridge. Not too bad, all things considered.FINALLY: THE ICE MAKER -- this is the worst part about the fridge. If the parts were cheaper, it would be an Ok compromise. It is a small unit and will provide enough ice in the Summer for a couple people who drink ice water all the time. Family amount of ice? No. Problems: the ice tray itself. Our first one lasted about 2 years. Consecutive trays, much less. It has broken in a couple ways: First, the thermistor attachment assembly breaks off the ice tray. Ice stops working. Second, the plastic tray (because it is torqued to remove the ice) gets cracks in it. You then get water and some ice cubes. The water then freezes the ice cubes that do make it out and it freezes into one solid mass on the bottom of the ice tray. Fun.REPLACEMENT COST. Can you buy just the plastic ice tray? No, you have to buy one ice tray, one thermistor assembly, and two plastic parts that never break. Ever. Cost - $150+ shipping. So the only part that ever breaks is the plastic ice tray and the plastic retainer of the thermistor. So, every 9-15 months the ice cube tray gets cracks or the plastic part that keeps the thermistor in place breaks. If it was $20 we would be Ok with it - again, were used to these kinds of annoyances and compromises living in an apartment. Its also pretty easy to replace. But $150? Please.Finally, Liebherr. Its clear they just dont care or they think that if they did sell just the ice tray + thermistor part that this would be admitting something wrong? Considering what theyre involved in besides fridges it would seem that worrying about these products is the last thing on their minds. If people keep buying them they will keep making them, *even if the products are not reasonably serviceable*. That, or because of their price point they think wealthier people will just have them maintained and not worry about the cost?Who knows. Either way, if you buy one of these dont expect the greatest service, nor any help from Liebherr itself. I would expect that the service companies just dont sell enough of them to be experts and their access to inexpensive parts is the same, although I really wonder what wholesale prices are. In case Liebherr ever reads this: I would never buy your products again, but for now were stuck with it.

The 24 Liebherr refrigerator that came with the apartment I purchased is a piece of junk! It was just about 5 years old when the original owner paid over $600 in repair costs over 2 repair visits... Just a few months later I needed to replace the sensor for another $500. Now it is only 2 months later and once again the refrigerator is not maintaining cold temperature. I refuse to put another nickel into this terrible appliance and will have to replace it. Liebherr service was not at all accommodating! All they were willing to do was give me the names of authorized service companies which charge $200 just to walk in the door.

We purchased a house in NYC that had this built in refrigerator/freezer. It looks beautiful as a built in, but thats about the end of it. It wasnt that old (2 years old), but the previous owners had given up on it working. We had the Ice Maker repaired for a few hundred dollars...only to have it go bad again 6 months later... The repair company actually asked us not to try and repair it because they said the brand is so incredibly bad. We had it repaired again and again. Why? Because it will cost $7k to replace it (similar to the original price). For that much money, an appliance better live for about 20 years. The problem with the ice maker was 2 things... the ice maker was broken, but it only works when its below zero. The temperature control is so bad in the freezer that my Ice Cream melts and is always soft even when the temp says 4 degrees. The reviews Ive seen from others on this brand are quite similar. Id never in 1000 years want a product from this company again.

Nice refrigerator. Easy to use. Having lot of spaces like So many racks. Able to keep all necessary products essential for purposes. Easy to clean. Able to adjust the temperature accordingly enough for kitchen purposes. I like it very much.

We purchased the CS 20 7081 407-00 in November of 2010. Since that time, the ice maker has broken twice. The first time, the unit was under warranty and was replaced quickly. At the time the ice maker was replaced, the technician mentioned that the units were not well engineered and were a constant repair issue. Now we are out of warranty and face the repair bills for a piece of equipment that is poorly engineered and will surely break again. Dont buy this fridge with the ice maker, it will break and you will ultimately be stuck with the repair bills.

We have a 36 double door - double freezer drawer model and love it. Recently, we purchased a 24 model and hate it! The 24 model looks great and is a conversation piece - until the compressor kicks in. You can not believe the sound! The factory authorized a guy to come down and listen to it - then they replaced the compressor. It is still noisy. They came back and told me thats just the way it is. Since they deemed that the noise is normal (its just as noisy now as it was with the original compressor), Liebherr will not pay the service contractor for his efforts! I am so disappointed with this company. I could yell. How can this smaller unit sound like an airplane taking off when the compressor kicks on, yet the large unit we own is nice and quiet? Definitely a design problem!

@3500 each for a 24 counter depth freezer and ref (HF 861), my client could have gotten a used GE or LG Freezer. The weather stripping is coming off for the second time, Icemaker has never worked. We (after a full replacement) and their customer service line is dreadful, each time I call they want me to try a new troubleshooting step. Liebherr just changed their policy on repairs so no more guarantee on their products. Save yourself time and money and buy literally any other brand.

Terrible terrible terrible. Two times I was fooled purchasing their refrigerators, no one helps you, no service, just the worst. Im out hundreds in food & service techs. Please, redo your kitchen if you must, DO NOT PURCHASE, ever!

We are a couple of seniors and easy on our appliances. We paid a lot of money ($4,706.31) in 2009 for French doors, 2 freezer drawer model Liebherr refrigerator. We loved the look and features showing in and out. Within a few short months, the insides’ starting falling apart. The drawer tracks kept falling off and the milk shelf restraints broke loose. Just five years later, just after the warranty was done, the inside of the refrigerator part started freezing up and frost formed all over the back wall. We hassled back and forth with Customer Service and they finally agreed to send us a part (Evap Motor). We had to pay to have it installed. Now we have it set at 40 degrees, and it still freezes some foods. I am so unhappy with this product and would not recommend it to anyone.

Hey guys, Good product, good service, good choice to buy this one. I using Liebherr fridge for last 2 years. Good experience to use this fridge. Very happy to buy this one and also good quality, very spacious too. Design, colour are unique.

My wife and I bought a 24 wide x 79 tall Liebherr fridge in 2009 as we were told it was the best in that size. It was like $2800, the price of a used car I thought then. We live on a houseboat in Seattle. From the beginning we had problems - broken handles, shelves that needed mending with plexiglass and epoxy. But worst of all, we had to defrost the freezer at near weekly intervals. And the drain in the fridge compartment would freeze up or smell so horribly that we injected bleach with a syringe to keep the smell down. We are dumping this fridge (and describing its shortcomings to anyone who is foolish enough to get it) for a Bosch, which we are assured will be less challenging. Remains to be seen. I have never had a fridge this disappointing. All the others ran for years, decades even, and failed at the end of their lives - as expected. But they did not fail on a weekly basis. Best of luck to anyone who still has a Liebherr. Never again for us.

CS1311CS1360/07011/7084638 - 00. One shelf on the door broke off after 3 months. The butter compartment broke as well. Now the actual handle on the refrigerator door broke off completely and there were 4 plastic parts scattered on the floor! Were I a very strong woman I might have thought I opened the door too quickly or carelessly. I have always had little arm strength and am frequently called delicate! I am blamed repeatedly for every issue. Having owned 2 extra large SubZero refrigerators in my former home and had no problems with either one, I know it is not me that is making this happen.

Starts from High quality with good looks. Using LIEBHERR refrigerator for last 1 year and found myself completely satisfied with the product. If anyone looking for value of money in fridge segment should go undoubtedly with LIEBHERR. Only brand using 8 speed inverter compressor in this segment. Large vegetable box & sorting system makes it more convenient to put veggies and fruits separately in same basket. Elegant hard line door handle, Door alarm, moon cut toughened shelves are some of things which makes it more premium. Personally I recommend LIEBHERR refrigerator.

I happen to change my refrigerator this summer season and happen to visit Harsha electronics near my place. This new brand called Liebherr is what I got introduced to and its features made the perfect fit for my kitchen. The product has had no qualms and have been using it for half a year with smooth use. If youre looking for the space, this is your best bet. Truly value for money.

We bought a Liebherr 346 litres, 3STCSS3540, double door refrigerator from Reliance digital store in Delhi, on 24 January, 2021 and it conked OFF in July 2021. No cooling. Compressor Shuts down and the Service team had no resolution.!! Then begins a long harassment time with Liebherr Service team, which is so smug that they are just not bothered. They will not pick calls-, not resolve the problem and harass the customers, no end. Untrustworthy, cheats!!!!

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My experience was so different from what Im reading that Im compelled to comment. My model 1311, 24 wide with no ice maker, purchased in 2009, started beeping and stopped cooling seven years after I bought it. I would give it 5 stars, but seven years does seem like a short life for a fridge. As I wondered if it was covered by the limited extended 7-12 year warranty, I emailed the address given, asking how they could service a fridge in Vancouver, Canada, when they are in Ontario. They sent me the phone number of a local service person, said he would know if it was covered by warranty. Service person declared it unrepairable, said the company would phone me in a week about replacing the fridge, as it was covered by the warranty. They phoned in a week, and have replaced the fridge. The installer said that all the problems have been with the first generation models, and the new models seem to have the kinks worked out.

My son broke the plastic supports on the door shelf. I am online to see if I can order parts myself. I started reading the reviews. Wow, I had no idea people have so much problems. Mine is eight years old and I love it. Never had a problem. I yearly use a pipe cleaner to clean the drain hole, take off the vent cover, and vacuum the coils. I also have my fridge on a plug surge protector. I do so for all my rentals. I must have bought a gem.

After we moved into our new dream house, we wanted to get a premium refrigerator. Our close friend who have suggested me Liebherr. So we went to the shop and we had purchased liebherr easy fresh model and we found it best in quality. Loved the product

I bought Liebherr refrigerator 2 years back and now every part of it ask maintenance every after 2-3 month. For me its waste of money because if I could bought any Local Indian brand it would be more convenient for me and long lasting. Never go for Liebherr.

I bought the new Liebherr refrigerator in Mumbai. Living with my husband and we are a family of 2. We bought the Liebherr TCR2640 from Vijay Sales Navi Mumbai. Its been a month of use and we are delighted to have taken the decision of buying it. Its vegetable sorter system and spice box is something no other fridge was offering to me, I needed space for my masalas and I needed space for my veggies since I love cooking. They really understood the practical needs of using the refrigerator which is why we bought it. The service was quick and we certainly had an easy installation. Did I mention the red color looks nice and different. Go for it if you want space. Its your best decision.

My refrigerator developed some problems, which I accept. However, because it was out of warranty, the appliance store would not service it. None of the local repairers would work on a Liebherr, and the main customer service at Liebherr couldnt provide a service rep for the entire Olympic Peninsula! What good is a refrigerator that cant be serviced? Liebherr has not developed adequate service coverage. They shouldnt sell equipment that they cant assure service.

In July of 2014, the ice maker on my Liebherr stopped working. Annoying, but not unexpected. I just let it go. Then, not two months later, the freezer stopped working. Had a Liebherr referred repairman out to determine the temperature sensor was no longer working. As of now (November!), still no parts, no sign of parts, and now the refrigerator is not working. Liebherr has been HORRIBLE in trying to resolve this issue. Im selling the house and am ending up having to purchase a brand new unit. Liebherr, never again!