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Comprar Liebherr Refrigerador HCB2060
36 Inch Panel Ready Counter Depth Bottom Freezer Refrigerator, in Panel Ready
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I came to know about Liebherr refrigerator from a close friend. Liebherr refrigerator is one of the best refrigerator which I had come across. I have been using since 3months. Top quality and accurate cooling.
I had a positive experience. I bought a Liebherr refrigerator from a nearby shop, I went there to purchase a different brand, but Liebherr promoter explained about the brand and the models and I was happy to see some good features and especially the storage facility in it. So I have happily purchased one. Good product.
Very good experience and very good product. I love this product and amazing product. The size of the refrigerator is big. Very comfortable use. This refrigerator have large freezer. Building quality is satisfying
I have purchased 2 Liebherr fridges from Pittappillil Mavelikkara branch on last year. I am so impressed and I suggested the product to my friends and relatives. Especially they are sending their engineers for giving demo and clearly explained about the usages. Everything was coordinated by Mr. ** the Assistant Manager from Pittappillil, he was so helpful and professional to us.
Our experience with Liebherr Refrigerator has been appalling to say the least. We moved into our new house in 2004 and I would think on average the fridge has broken down every three years. The temperature dial for the fridge keeps going haywire. And of course it is always just out of warranty when this happens. Its cost us a small fortune getting it repaired and not to mention the really stressful situations this causes when it happens again and again. I find the suppliers/service people here in Ireland totally inadequate in their response. I dont think once I got an apology from them for all the stress their product has caused. I would not touch any Liebherr product ever again and would advise anybody to run a million miles from them also.
This refrigerator has worked with no issues for as long as we have owned it approximately four years. My only complaint is the size which provides limited storage but this is not the fault of the unit but rather the result of living in a Condo which has restricted room.
Im seeing all of these horrific reviews and I can only assume that theyre either written by competitors or people who have just had really bad luck. I had a 24 Liebherr in my last place that I bought new and lived with for 5 years until I sold my condo. Ive since moved into a house that happened to have a full-sized integrated Liebherr installed. According to the serial number sticker its almost 10 years old now and is still perfect, silent, and a pleasure to live with. Liebherr has meticulous records on all of its past products so they were able to give this appliances complete history.Apparently in the first year the previous owners had a couple of small issues at the start (a drawer was cracked and the display had a fault) but since then nothing. I dont have any vested interest in Liebherr other than the fact that as an architect I like to specify quality products in my designs and its frustrating to me that so many people take it upon themselves to dump on something and so few ever give positive reports. So heres one at least. (or two, since I can attest for two fridges, and am sort of a repeat customer.)
I bought Liebherr refrigerator 2 years back and now every part of it ask maintenance every after 2-3 month. For me its waste of money because if I could bought any Local Indian brand it would be more convenient for me and long lasting. Never go for Liebherr.
I purchased a Liebherr refrigerator in December of 2017. In August of 2019, the right hand side/unit of the refrigerator stopped cooling. We had Liebherrs repair people come to our house 3 times and they called Liebherr and told them that the refrigerator is not reparable. Keep in mind Liebherr is sold in 2 units (the left unit and the right unit). Debbie from Liebherr called me and said that they will replace the unit. I questioned Debbie and said the unit or the whole refrigerator and she said the whole refrigerator. I said to Debbie...thank you and she responded Liebherr really stands behind their products. She told me that Liebherr will ship the replacement to their installer and the installer will call me to set up an appointment to install the replacement. All seemed great at this point.The installer (Almo) came and replaced the refrigerator on 9/17/19. I know we are now in mid September from when the refrigerator stopped working at the beginning of August. When I came home to see the replacement, Almo only replaced the right side or unit of the refrigerator and it is completely different from the left side of the refrigerator. Below are the differences (remember this is 1 refrigerator): 1. The replacement unit has two drawers (original unit only had 1), the back panel is stainless steel (the original (right side back panel is white), the drawers are blue (left side) (right side are clear drawers) and the shelves on the replacement unit is totally different with thicker shelving (metal holders).2. The original freezer is completely different too. In our original unit (right side), the ice dispenser had two drawers - one draw that had the ice made and then we would pour it to the other draw to fill up. The replacement is only 1 drawer that makes the ice.As you can tell, I was very upset. I proceeded to call Almo and spoke to Katelyn. I sent Katelyn an email with pictures of how different the 2 sides of my 1 refrigerator is. She said, Wow they are totally different. I said, I know. She said that shell look into it and get back to me. I then received a call from Miguel at Liebherr who said that he makes all the decisions at Liebherr and they will not replace the left side/unit to match the replacement (right side/unit) piece. He said that my model was discontinued because they upgraded it and if I want the 2 units to match then I will have to purchase the left side/unit. I proceeded to tell him that its not my fault that the refrigerator broke and its not my fault that they upgraded and the upgrade does not match my older model (only 1.5 years old). He said that they do not care if it is not aesthetically pleasing on the inside. They replaced the unit that broke and they will not do anymore.I asked if I can speak with his manager and he said that he does not report to anyone. I guess the Liebherr family does not realize that Miguel is the new CEO. I keep replaying in my head what Debbie said....Liebherr stands behind their products. If they stood behind their products they would have replaced the entire refrigerator. I spent about $7k on this refrigerator and it shouldnt have broke/stopped cooling after 1.5 years. Liebherr DOES NOT stand behind their products! I will NEVER, NEVER buy a Libherr product again and you shouldnt either!
We bought a Liebherr split door refrigerator/freezer (2 drawers) about 8 years ago. Nothing but a headache. The fridge is fine but the ice maker function has been impossible. It was replaced about 6 times in the first couple of years. Now it is broken and impossible to get the parts needed to fix it. The glass shelf on the left door just fell and broke on its own. Service for these units is difficult to find, expensive, and replacement parts seem nonexistent. Purchase a fridge that can be serviced and maintained more easily. Expensive appliance that is nearly impossible to fix.
I purchased a new top-of-the-line Liebherr Refrigerator in 2011. It has been the worst purchase I have ever made. The refrigerator has started falling apart, it is so poorly made. When I called Liebherr Customer Service, I got more excuses and no help whatsoever. Time to get rid of this and get a Sub-Zero.
We have owned C 16 model of Liebherr refrigerator since 2014. Over that time, we have had multiple issues - from breaking shelves on the front door, to the front metal handle coming off, to constant leaking inside, etc. It has been non-stop, and we are sick and tired to dealing. Never in my life have I had issues with multiple plastic parts breaking of a fridge... We are a small family of three, so the problems cannot be blamed on the extensive usage. It is just a cheaply built appliance. Please, save your money, time and nerve cells, and stay away from this model.
Updated on 3/22/2022: I purchased refrigerator 2 years before. Good performance, energy efficient model, good space for 4 to 5 member, big vegetable box store more vegetables compare with my early brand. More space. Good fridge.Original review: When I bought this ref I dont even know the brand name. The sales executive name called Vishwa. He is explaining about the brand. He told this is 65yrs old brand. The features he told that was very benefit to me. I bought it. Previously I was used Samsung frost free refrigerator. Compare to that ref LIEBHERR cooling was good. We can move self tray without taking out. Vegetables freshness easily can sustain a week. Without power cooling maintain approx 8 to 10hrs. Earlier ref only sustain below 4hrs.
You can believe me, 100 percent good product, you can buy this fridge, Liebherr is a quality product, I have purchased last year, cooling is very good. I am suggesting you to go for it. Value for money.
I had purchased a Liebherr twin door refrigerator but very next day itself its started to works in abnormal condition, not getting cooled in lower portion of the refrigerator, their authorised service person told me that in India Liebherrs almost all products are having many manufacturing defects, so I am telling here that with my personal experience is that dont go ahead with their product.
Advanced technology with advanced electrical temperature sensors which provide perfect cooling as per required storage. And special feature like spice box to store our spice to avoid moisture or aroma of spices.
I had friends and relatives who spoke quite highly of Liebherr. And because I trust their judgment, I decided to heed their recommendation. And Im so very glad that I did, because my experience with Liebherr has been nothing short of wonderful so far. Spacious freezer, output design, compact, portable and ease of use is off the charts. Indeed, most of the features are satisfactory. Theres VarioSafe room to store all of the cheeses, cold cuts, milk packs etc. That we consume as a family. Thats obviously a very convenience. One more feature, Spice boxes system is very useful for my masala storage. First time I got, Vegetable sorting system, this is very good helpful for my Vegetable storage.
We wanted to love this fridge and we trusted the fact that it was a German. We have the 36 French door fridge and it is just an expensive piece of junk. It first broke about a year after purchase. First it was the ice maker, then the freezer stopped working and with time the fridge doors stopped closing properly. Even the rubber band around the door broke and the cables came out. The sensor beeps at random times, even in the middle of the night and we have to turn it off since the doors are actually closed and it is beeping for nothing. I have never seen anything like this! We tried repairing it twice but whatever they repaired broke again. All other appliances purchased around the same time work perfectly well. We have a German friend who purchased one too around the same time as us and he is experiencing the same problems. He is even more disappointed as he grew up thinking his countrys appliances were the best.After reading soo many similar experiences in the web we concluded that this company doesnt care about the quality of their fridges enough to address these problems. They make heavy duty equipment and other things that are not appliances and this could be just a small part of their revenue. Who knows why they are not addressing their customers complaints... What I know is that I have to throw away my fridge and buy a new one (some other brand) since spending more money in repairing is just not worth it.
I am happy with the product. My overall experience is excellent and I have been using this product for last 3 years. My Electricity charges has come down drastically after I changed with LIEBHERR refrigerator. Cooling and huge storage compared to my old refrigerator. I recommend to other also.
Liebherr looks good but thats where it stops. We purchased a new one but after over 12 trips in 1 1/2 years for diagnosis, replacement, or providing loaners - the retailer finally gave us another new one! [They had already replaced three sensors [one twice], the main module, a thermistor, the door seal, even the door {The Consumer Product Safety Commission had already faulted them for the problem}]. Well the new one started giving us problems after 18 months.The alarm would go off in the middle of the night. Nothing else appeared wrong. We called the retailer - they responded a month later. The temperatures of both the refrigerator and freezer gyrated wildly. [The digital temperatures on the top did not correspond to a refrigerator thermometer that was accurate on other devices]. Liebherr said there was nothing they could do because our warranty was over. Dont expect customer service. The refrigerator is now gone.
We bought a Liebherr 346 litres, 3STCSS3540, double door refrigerator from Reliance digital store in Delhi, on 24 January, 2021 and it conked OFF in July 2021. No cooling. Compressor Shuts down and the Service team had no resolution.!! Then begins a long harassment time with Liebherr Service team, which is so smug that they are just not bothered. They will not pick calls-, not resolve the problem and harass the customers, no end. Untrustworthy, cheats!!!!
I had purchased a Liebherr refrigerator on April 9th and the freezer didnt work from the day 1. I called the customer service; it took them 2 weeks to get the technician in. They had to order the parts and it took them another week and a half. The freezer stopped working in 2 weeks again. I called them; the technician showed up in a week and a half and said the compressor and 2 other parts need to ordered and it was back ordered from Germany. I called the complaint department and they said they will replace the unit. From April 9 (today is June 26th), I have been calling and the replacement company, Alamo, said the unit is back ordered. I called the Liebherr customer service again and they told me to speak to a supervisor at Alamo which I did and he said they got the unit and they will ship it to the servicer. I have a family of 6 and my son has very severe allergy problem and we always stock food for him. Here I am without a refrigerator since April the 9th. It is very frustrating and I would not recommend anyone to go with this brand. Its is wastage of money.
Im having the same problems and Im based in Athens. Inox Liebherr fridge now useless. Can you send me any contact details (email) you may have, preferably from the people in Germany?
Well, in the beginning I hesitated to buy the product, whereas Liebherr representative have educated me and gave comparison about other refrigerators which Im impressed and the efficiency is still awesome.. I can refer to those who want to go for new luxury refrigerator..
I bought Liebherr fridge in 2018..346l blue colour... Its really cool looking and good for modular kitchen... I recommend everyone to buy this fridge... But dont worry about reviews.. This is really best product.
Ice maker has never worked. The drain in fridge is always clogged causing smelly back-up. Water runs down the back of fridge causing everything to be wet inside. All the labels even fell off our beer bottles from always being wet. Also, fridge not cold enough. The freezer stopped working while we were on vacay and when they finally came to fix it, now the fridge is broken too after they left. Thank goodness for my very cheap Frigidaire brand fridge in the garage. It works and saved our food from spoiling again. DO NOT EVER BUY A LIEBHERR refrigerator. You will be sorry.
Product is value for money. Till now had a good experience this refrigerator of this to be continued worth money, good product, Need to be provide good services, the services and good but sometimes delayed.
I bought Liebherr Single door refrigerator few months back and warranty expired recently. Product was not since purchased due to corona period. We were unable to use it because of lockdown. Refrigerator is still brand new but lock is coming out of the fitment. When approached customer care and service engineer they asking service charges of 650 + 200 for such a pathetic lock. Such a new item, and quality of lock is 3rd class, it is made of plastic and they dont even bother to address the issue. I strongly recommend to look at lock quality before purchase and avoid the brand in India. We have many more worthy brands like LG...
This is my second Liebherr refrigerator after the first one lost all the Freon due to the defective lining. They use aluminum linings which are corroded very fast. They replaced it after two years of trouble. The representative of the brand in Greece made a conciliation and they proposed to sell me a new one. I paid an extra amount of 500€ to receive a newer model which was worth around 800€. Within two years the problems begun! Now it runs for an hour it hardly cools and then the motor stops and doesnt kick in again. No more expensive worthless Liebherr refrigerators for me!!!
We bought a Liebherr refrigerator for a house we were building in Nicaragua. With our 20 ceilings I loved the height. The thin plastic drawers broke immediately. Then the rest started failing. The cover of the manual had one warranty period. In small print inside they had a much shorter period. I waited to repair it as I thought I had years. Wrong. We just replaced the 3 years old refrigerator with one that cost less than the last three years of repairs. Of course we will have to spend some on cabinetry because the new refrigerator is shorter. In the 20 years of our SubZero we spent less than 2 years of the Liebherr. We waited so long for repairs that we bought a second refrigerator to substitute. The Liebherr was purchased in Nicaragua, at a top kitchen dealer.
A good Refrigerator in term of cooling performance, extended food life with accurate temperature, Best built quality and Nice design... I highly recommend this brand because of quality assurance and It gave opportunity to feel Premium inner interior.
If you think you purchased quality because it is German made think it again. After 5 month back and forth with their service department and dealing with different local service representatives they sent my refrigerator still is not cooling and no one seems to care. We are using our backup refrigerator in the garage.
We purchased the CS 20 7081 407-00 in November of 2010. Since that time, the ice maker has broken twice. The first time, the unit was under warranty and was replaced quickly. At the time the ice maker was replaced, the technician mentioned that the units were not well engineered and were a constant repair issue. Now we are out of warranty and face the repair bills for a piece of equipment that is poorly engineered and will surely break again. Dont buy this fridge with the ice maker, it will break and you will ultimately be stuck with the repair bills.
Very good product and special service. Interior of the fridge is very beautiful and when door open got alarm sound. I very like it and I suggest to our family and friends. Very secured covering back grills.
The ice maker on my Liebherr fridge stopped working a few weeks ago. The technician from Electra the agent for Liebherr in Israel diagnosed the problem and told me that for the parts and labor it would cost NIS2000 ($600) to do the repair work. I wrote an email to Liebherr Germany to tell them that I had sourced the same parts from their distributor in Holland at 50% of the price quoted in Israel. Germany sent a mail to Electra the Israel distributor and a few days later Electra called me to say that they would reduce the price of the parts to NIS1470 ($400). I subsequently brought the parts from Holland and had my own fridge mechanic do the repairs. He found that only 1 small part which costs NIS150 ($40) needed replacing as all the other parts which the Electra technician had said needed replacing were all in perfect working order.
I bought the new Liebherr refrigerator in Mumbai. Living with my husband and we are a family of 2. We bought the Liebherr TCR2640 from Vijay Sales Navi Mumbai. Its been a month of use and we are delighted to have taken the decision of buying it. Its vegetable sorter system and spice box is something no other fridge was offering to me, I needed space for my masalas and I needed space for my veggies since I love cooking. They really understood the practical needs of using the refrigerator which is why we bought it. The service was quick and we certainly had an easy installation. Did I mention the red color looks nice and different. Go for it if you want space. Its your best decision.
My husband and I won 2007 Obie award for Best Kitchen remodel in Georgia. The Liebherr fit my requirements inside and held the decorative panels on the outside. Almost immediately we had problems the other consumers had. Ice maker has broken down twice after 2 years of usage... $900 replacement. The so called cooler unit freezes up and once or more a year I get to defrost the ice in the back. It constantly drips inside the refrig. unit thus having to wet vacuum the bottom to get out the water. Liebherr refused to acknowledge all my problems. A technician was sent out and he couldnt adjust any temperature to make things any better. You can believe that my customers know never to buy this for their kitchen. It is sweating so much inside now that I believe it is on its last leg.
This is the first time we have ever written a review about a product as we are normally tolerant. Our experience with the Liebherr refrigerator has, however, been so appalling that we felt we had to write about it to warn others off. The problems we have had relate to endless issues with the ice maker, the doors not closing properly, the doors not staying open properly, the handle coming loose very early on and, more recently, the endless quantities of ice that are forming on the back wall of the fridge itself (see enclosed photo). Three months ago we were told that a seal would solve this problem and that it would take 4 to 8 weeks to deliver but we are still waiting. What is nice about the fridge is its look but to quote a well known cliche, Dont judge a book by its cover. Finally, the issues we had began just five months after buying the fridge.
Im using Liebherr refrigerator. Im very happy with performance....like Quality excellent, energy efficiency specially spice box, Vario safe, Vegetable sorting, cool pack, even no noice from compressor ....
I, too, have never written a consumer review for an appliance Ive purchased, however I feel compelled to warn anyone thinking of purchasing one of these refrigerators. Almost every issue documented in previous reviews has also happened to me. The unit is three years old and it is, literally, falling apart. Any tray that relies on a plastic component is now broken - all the door trays are duct taped up and the freezer bins are cracked at every stress point. Every time I open the freezer, I hope to have a couple cubes of ice. The ice maker was repaired several times early on in the purchase, then flooded, and then produced 12 - 20 tiny cubes of ice daily for two years. Now its broken and my appliance company hopes to have luck getting Liebherr to respond to them. Its the most frustrating high end appliance I have ever chosen and I regret it every day.
I bought this fridge in November last year for my Parents who are living in India and it broke down in 7 months. It took ages to get someone to look at it and so it took another few weeks to get the part ordered. Now company won’t have people who can come and fix the part and every time we call they are giving us different dates but no one is showing up on any dates given so far.When other family member called and ask if we can order a new fridge and when can we get delivered the response was straight away, We can deliver you next working day. So company have people to deliver the New fridge but not to attend the service for broken fridge. When we ask why is it like that the company spoke person don’t have answer for it. My parents are senior citizens And living by themselves and now have to struggle with this situation on daily basis and don’t have any fridge to store food from last few weeks have to buy daily essentials everyday especially in Covid pandemic when they shouldn’t be going out much. There is lack of customer care and no one is being helpful even though fridge comes with 10 years warranty. I highly recommend not to purchase this product as you will have lot of trouble to get it fixed if anything goes wrong.
I bought a new Liebherr refrigerator and it never cools right in the fridge compartment. I had service 7 times and the same answer - it all checks out OK, but the box is 48-52 degrees. Not sure why? I called the company and the manager. No return call. Beware, dont buy one. A lot of money, no service and mine never worked.
Bought the Liebherr Refrigerator past week and pretty much happy with the amount of space it provides to contain all our necessities. Also, vegetables kept in stays fresh even after few days of its storage. All in all the fridge is value for money spent. The refrigerator generates adequate amount of cooling and helps keep all food items fresh and edible at all times. I am very happy with my choice of refrigerator and that makes me feel its the best.
Dont make the mistake of buying a Liebherr Refrigerator from Alpine Appliance in Vail, CO. Alpine service and understanding of these refrigerators is embarrassingly poor. First and foremost, in the context of Liebherr quality, I can safely and confidently say that Liebherr cannot be talked about in the same sentence as Sub-Zero. I now I understand why Liebherr is significantly less expensive, because it should be! I must respectfully ask how can you comment on the quality of Liebherr when you yourself and your service staff did not know that this model was not self-closing; additionally your service person told me that fridge always rocks until you fill it up, yet the other day he found out for the first time there was something he had not learned or done that would have prevented the fridge from rocking. What I found funny is that your service guys replaced a part to eliminate the rock, which obviously was both unnecessary and unexplainable.At a minimum, isnt your job to teach your service guys how to properly install a refrigerator you sell and so call service. Your email response albeit appreciated was condescending at best but very consistent with the quality of your service, so not surprising. Your one service guy was blown away when he called Liebherr tech support only to learn that this model is not self-closing! His exact words were there are $500 refrigerators that have this most basic feature. On a positive note, the refrigerator does keep food cold and fresh which a guess is a positive.
The 24 Liebherr refrigerator that came with the apartment I purchased is a piece of junk! It was just about 5 years old when the original owner paid over $600 in repair costs over 2 repair visits... Just a few months later I needed to replace the sensor for another $500. Now it is only 2 months later and once again the refrigerator is not maintaining cold temperature. I refuse to put another nickel into this terrible appliance and will have to replace it. Liebherr service was not at all accommodating! All they were willing to do was give me the names of authorized service companies which charge $200 just to walk in the door.
I happen to change my refrigerator this summer season and happen to visit Harsha electronics near my place. This new brand called Liebherr is what I got introduced to and its features made the perfect fit for my kitchen. The product has had no qualms and have been using it for half a year with smooth use. If youre looking for the space, this is your best bet. Truly value for money.
I purchased this Liebherr 350 litre fridge. Initially there was some problem but when I complained they changed it for me and since then I have no issues. I had Samsung fridge which was OK but I wanted something very premium and with liebherr I got premium fridge and also some very cool features which are not in any refrigerator.
CS1311CS1360/07011/7084638 - 00. One shelf on the door broke off after 3 months. The butter compartment broke as well. Now the actual handle on the refrigerator door broke off completely and there were 4 plastic parts scattered on the floor! Were I a very strong woman I might have thought I opened the door too quickly or carelessly. I have always had little arm strength and am frequently called delicate! I am blamed repeatedly for every issue. Having owned 2 extra large SubZero refrigerators in my former home and had no problems with either one, I know it is not me that is making this happen.
I have a single door model, cs 1301, 5 yrs. old. Recently the freezer temp. became erratic and the alarm kept going off. Our food was not affected and stayed frozen. A week ago, a service tech found a build up of ice behind the panel that is behind the freezer drawers. He was able to remove the ice and the freezer seemed OK. However the temps. continue to jump up and down and sometimes the alarm triggers at temps of 6 or 11 above. The call cost $190.I reported the temperature readings to the service who reported back with a quote of $600 to replace the freezer components. I do not know how to proceed at this point: the problem needs to be corrected but I will be nearing $1000 in service calls. Do I buy a new refrigerator or put more money into the current one? This Liebherr model is the only refrig I know of that fits the space in my small kitchen.
Product is good with good cooling, door is hard to open. Once closing the door and try to open, one should hold the refrigerator and door handle to pull. I trying to open just with handle the refrigerator shakes by changing the position and food inside will shake and fall or spill.
Compare to other product Liebherr is good and super cooling and its keep vegetable and fruits fresh even a week. As a housewife I am really happy to use this fridge and keep give best products to your customers.
Very expensive refrigerator freezer. Has been nothing but a series of problems forever. Broken drawer. Broken ice maker. Broken handle. Liebherr service is flagrantly rude and unhelpful. Service techs are ignorant about the refrigerator. Liebherr is the worst purchase Ive ever made.
Oh what a new looking fridge freezer but I am afraid within a few months of purchasing this nice shiny appliance all our problems started. First the icemaker gave us too much ice only for a few weeks. Later it stopped dispensing ice all together. After a few more weeks all back to normal only for the problem to occur again and again and trying to get an engineer out to fix the ** thing. Well better chance of me finding and capturing the yeti after countless emails and we refusing to let the previous three different contractors out to look at our fridge again. Did Liebherr send out a different one? Www.agsrefrigeration.co.uk they came out and after inspecting the back off the fridge section found that there was a fault with insulation of the cabinet letting cold air and freezing up the tubing to the icemaker. In the end they submitted a report to the manufacturer who finally relented and gave us a new replacement. We are holding our breath and hoping we have no further problems with this one. However dont think I would go through all the expense of buying one of these fridge freezers again.
As you know if youre reading this a Liebherr Refrigerator costs as much as a decent used car. For that kind of money youd think you would get quality. Youd think if something breaks there would be a repair network for it. Youd think the customer service people would try to help. Youd be dead wrong on all counts. I have had a Liebherr refrigerator freezer that has been a continual nightmare. The icemaker has been broken almost since we installed the appliance. Weve given up on that after endlessly trying to get it fixed. Now the freezer is not working. For the past three weeks we have had no freezer. I cannot get a repair person out here. I live in a major west-coast metro area. I could understand that it would be hard to get a repair if I were in some remote location, but that is not the case. Of the repair people Liebherr recommended only one would respond. They came out, pulled the unit out of its cabinet, damaging the veneer in the process. Took the back off and decided that another person would have to come out and look at it. For this they billed me $160. After a week, I called and was told they couldnt deal with it. I had the credit card company stop payment and were still trying to resolve that. Second person was from about 50 miles away and would only come out if I agreed to pay him $300. Cash only, no checks, no credit card. I agreed because I need a freezer. He did nothing. Ran some diagnostics. Told me I needed two parts and he would only come back if I paid him another $300. Cash. And Id have to get the parts. These are the best people Liebherr could recommend. This is so sleazy that it borders on criminal. I decided Id had enough with Liebherr and went shopping for a replacement unit thinking Id be better off just cutting my losses at this stage. As it happened the local rep was in the store when I was there. He told me hed work to get it straightened out. So, several days later repairman number 3 shows up. He takes the freezer apart and decides he cant do anything and anyway, hes going on vacation for two weeks so hell get back to me. I have spent untold hours on the phone with these people. I have dealt with three of their repair people. The only thing I have to show for it is a $300 cash payment to one of them and a credit card battle with the other. My freezer is still not functional. My icemaker has never worked. You would be out of your mind to buy a Liebherr anything.
The worst purchase I have ever made. I write to advise consumers to avoid Liebherr fridge freezers at all costs. I purchased a Liebherr fridge for my daughter in October 2016 and my daughter has been experiencing problems ever since. The fridge had never run at the proper temperature. The temperature is never constant and is always below 38F, it is closer to 50 and lower. We have been told that there is nothing wrong with the fridge. Now we have been told to keep the fridge-freezer at the highest setting at all times! The company refuses to accept the fridge-freezer is faulty. My daughter is therefore stuck with a malfunctioning fridge that is unlikely to last much beyond its 2-year guarantee.
Liebherr refrigerator is good refrigerator brand using this refrigerator and one of my friend refer to buy this brand. Nice color and got more space to keep vegetables and fruits. Less power consumption.
Storing vegetables and fruits is what one needs and in a city you need to store. I chose Liebherr as its flexible that has abundant space options without having to compromise. The features are apt to store the seafood and the fresh veggies for a long time. The freezer stocks up the cold cuts with ease for a long period of time. I have been happy since a while as its worked well if space is whats required.
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I purchased a brand new 2022 Liebherr double door refrigerator in 265 lits 3star model. Quality money for the money and good service provided, l like spices boxes and cool pack and vegetable sorting system.
Simply says German quality refrigerator and nice look. Easy shifting racks and nice colour. Good feeling and after service is very good and very big vegetable box and good space is there in the refrigerator and good design.
I am so disappointed with my Liebherr refrigerator. I purchased it in 2008 and expected it to perform as it was advertised. Since purchase the ice maker no longer works, the side panel refrigerator shelving pulled off and broke, the back of the refrigerator is icing, the vegetable and meat drawers fill with water, and - last straw - the door handle broke off! Poor manufacturing and substandard materials completely negate the refrigerators convenient sizing. I feel foolish for paying so much for this carelessly made train wreck.
Really satisfied by the product and service. I bought a refrigerator few months back, worth each penny. So far no complaints I also got it in a better market price. However, I think new technology can be applied to these products.
We are on our second Liebherr Refrigerator within the space of six years and this second one is now giving trouble. The main part of the fridge (non freezer part) is freezing the food and there is ice forming at the back of it. These were expensive fridges and to be honest we feel now if we had bought something much more cheaper it would have been much, much better. We feel now that is probably what we will do and just get rid of it. It was so much trouble with the first one what with trying to get it fixed and replaced. After much contact with the company responsible then I dont think we could go down that route again. In the end we had to buy a new Liebherr fridge from them as the warranty had expired (this first fridge was only about two to three years old) but they did give it to us at a considerable discount to be fair. But all this after a lot of phone calls and general hassle. I would never touch a Liebherr Refrigerator again.
Purchased both units (Built in refrigerator and freezer) in December of 2011. Problems started right away with inconsistent temperatures in the refrigerator, after service calls it was never resolved. We bought a 5 year extended warranty for both machines, it is a good thing we did. Now three years later the freezer ice maker has been replaced and I am sure it will need to be again. The refrigerator has never cooled properly but as of late forms heavy ice on the back to a point that the drawers cannot close which means that the door will not close. After several service calls the ice problem may be resolved but the inside temperature is now never higher 30 degrees f., and you cannot turn it off. If you want it to stop you must unplug it, no small task with a built in. After living with these very badly built machines for the last three years I truly believe that the only place that you will get less for your money is with a speeding ticket. Having owned Sub Zero for many trouble free years in the past, I can assure you that they will get our business next time.
Every day my husband says I love this new refrigerator. It is a french door with a door-in-door and the black stainless color is wonderful! Plenty of ice too! This refrigerator cost less than a high end brand and yet has all the features!
I found Liebherrs Facebook site (for their excavating equipment) and wrote them a nasty note saying I hoped their excavating stuff worked better than their fridge/freezers. I heard back from them immediately! So I sent them the entire story. They got in touch with the store it was purchased from and who did the repairs. Liebhherr agreed to pay for all parts/labor for repairs. It seems that all the freon had leaked out! Ive never heard of this in some 50 years of owning fridges of various makes and ages. Their repair people couldnt even find where the leak was so Liebherr replaced the entire unit (and as they had changed the dimensions since the original unit was purchased, they also replaced the fridge part). So Im satisfied, but it took public shaming on FB to get anything done. However, I would never recommend their fridge/freezers to anyone. Dont know about their excavating equipment.
Price worth product....happy with the working of the product.. Cooling of the refrigerator is also quite good.... Surely I will recommend this product to my friends and family. Really a good product..
We bought a Liebherr double door refrigerator in Oct. 2018. Just after 2 and half years, there was an issue with cooling. It was found that there is gas leak from three places. We had to pay to refill the gas, much expensive than other brands. After paying for the repairs, we get only 3 months warranty. Overall, the experience was bad and stressful.
We received these refrigerators in our new Newark based building and have had problems since they were installed. We have repeatedly contacted company to address the automatic ice maker with ZERO resolution. We are in the new building a year and the ice maker has worked maybe 2 months. The door handles are also very difficult to open - they are thin with little ability to grip. Would NOT recommend wasting money on this refrigerator.
Bought an expensive Liebherr fridgefreezer in September 2016 which failed whilst we were on holiday 10 months later. So contents ruined and no compensation from Liebherr or Appliance City who we purchased it from. Independent engineer was sent to diagnose problem and was told twice by Liebherr to regas it, even though it was leaking! Surely dangerous and not going to solve the problem at all! So the nice engineer wrote off the fridgefreezer and we have spent 3 weeks trying to get a replacement under the warranty.Many, many phone calls and emails were needed to chase Liebherr and Appliance City. Neither of them would take responsibility for changing it, both trying to delay as much as possible and telling blatant lies about not having it in stock and exceedingly delayed delivery of another month before they could get one to us in the hope we gave up chasing it. New one just arrived... Will have to see how long it lasts! Great style and massive capacity though.
First fridge died at 2.5 years right after warranty expired, reason was pipes sandwiched in the fridge back burst and hence not repairable. Company offered me a new one for 400eur which I foolishly accepted (first one was 1300eur), same thing happened to my friend Nikos, burst pipes and fridge goes to be recycled, he too got the offer. Kept only the icemaker from the first one just in case. At 2.5 years the icemaker doser died, service tech gave a part price of 600eur, so I have no icemaker since. And today the Made in Germany fridge completely died and me running to friends to store my moms chemotherapy meds. Tons of local threads regarding this burst pipes problem, I now regard this company as pure evil, they manufacture defective products on purpose according to where local laws allow them to do so.
Terrible terrible terrible. Two times I was fooled purchasing their refrigerators, no one helps you, no service, just the worst. Im out hundreds in food & service techs. Please, redo your kitchen if you must, DO NOT PURCHASE, ever!
Liebherr refrigerator performing very well without any disturbing noise and its cooling is very good. I can easily keep items in it because of its large size its performance. And one more important thing is that it consume minimum electricity
We bought our Liebherr 8 years ago. We have had nothing but problems since the very beginning. In less than a year, shelves break, the gaskets rips apart, the shelves in the doors cant withstand normal use, the ice maker works intermittently, etc. Weve had a repairman out at least once every year and a half. Currently, we get ice build-up on the bottom of the freezer. Now our fridge will not work at all. Given the price point, I expected so much more. I never had problems with my cheaper appliance! My warning to you - dont buy it!
This is the product that could be great if only the parent company would allow it to be great. Some of the problems weve encountered have been solved (for our needs, anyway). The major problem has not. Some of this will help you, I think. Some of it will annoy you more. Icing on the back of the fridge. There will always be frost and, especially in humid climates, some ice on the back of the fridge. This is a compromise for the depth of the fridge. We put meats and other items like pickles, etc, at the very back of the fridge to keep them as cold as possible. Theres a risk of it freezing if you rest it against the back. We live in an apartment and are used to these compromises. If you live in a house, get a bigger fridge that cools itself more traditionally.Icing and drain plug clogging. These are related issues in our experience. For whatever reason, the fridge circulation fan is defaulted to the off position. With this off you will get a lot more icing on the back of the fridge. This will then clog your drain plug with ice. Turn the fan on and occasionally check to see if it is still on - a power outage will turn it off again. Weve had it running for about a year and no more ice issues.What to do if the drain plugs up. You will need to defrost the fridge completely and have it turned off - leave the doors open. Wait until the ice melts. If there are sheets of ice, wait until they sort of melt, then pull them out - otherwise, expect large puddles. We poured some hot water from the tap (not boiled water) into the drain to help it along, but that took forever. Nows a good time to clean the back wall of the fridge. Not too bad, all things considered.FINALLY: THE ICE MAKER -- this is the worst part about the fridge. If the parts were cheaper, it would be an Ok compromise. It is a small unit and will provide enough ice in the Summer for a couple people who drink ice water all the time. Family amount of ice? No. Problems: the ice tray itself. Our first one lasted about 2 years. Consecutive trays, much less. It has broken in a couple ways: First, the thermistor attachment assembly breaks off the ice tray. Ice stops working. Second, the plastic tray (because it is torqued to remove the ice) gets cracks in it. You then get water and some ice cubes. The water then freezes the ice cubes that do make it out and it freezes into one solid mass on the bottom of the ice tray. Fun.REPLACEMENT COST. Can you buy just the plastic ice tray? No, you have to buy one ice tray, one thermistor assembly, and two plastic parts that never break. Ever. Cost - $150+ shipping. So the only part that ever breaks is the plastic ice tray and the plastic retainer of the thermistor. So, every 9-15 months the ice cube tray gets cracks or the plastic part that keeps the thermistor in place breaks. If it was $20 we would be Ok with it - again, were used to these kinds of annoyances and compromises living in an apartment. Its also pretty easy to replace. But $150? Please.Finally, Liebherr. Its clear they just dont care or they think that if they did sell just the ice tray + thermistor part that this would be admitting something wrong? Considering what theyre involved in besides fridges it would seem that worrying about these products is the last thing on their minds. If people keep buying them they will keep making them, *even if the products are not reasonably serviceable*. That, or because of their price point they think wealthier people will just have them maintained and not worry about the cost?Who knows. Either way, if you buy one of these dont expect the greatest service, nor any help from Liebherr itself. I would expect that the service companies just dont sell enough of them to be experts and their access to inexpensive parts is the same, although I really wonder what wholesale prices are. In case Liebherr ever reads this: I would never buy your products again, but for now were stuck with it.
I bought a Liebherr refrigerator. It was a excellent quality and cooling through is very correctly managed. Brand said insulation and services was good responsibility. So I love the product and services.
Liebherr refrigerator is so good. The door thickness and is cooling inside internal space boxes so amazing. Guys my suggestion is please you also try Liebherr refrigerator and Im sure after sales and service also better than others brand....
In summer 2008 we bought for €1500 what we thought was a state of the art built in refrigerator, the Liebherr IKB 3650. Only 3 years later - in 2011 - the door started not closing properly and cooling was poor. The local service replaced (after 3 visits) the heavy duty door hinges for €200 (past warranty period). The year after - 2012 - cooling was poor again. They came again and changed a sensor, plus check the fan, for another €70-80. It started working again somehow better. In 2013 cooling was poor again (10-12 Celsius) and they came over and over, changing more sensors, for which they did not charge spare parts, only visit labour time €40.Finally in June 2014 cooling was poor again. The local service came another 2-3 times, charging another €77 for changing a sensor and check. Nothing happened. They came back and placed a monitoring device for 3-4 days. After this they said they have to replace the motherboard (€160), which they did, yet nothing improved. Then they said they must take it to their premises and fix it and this is what we did. After 23 days (!!!) they told me its ready and I have to pay another €193 for the new compressor motor, while the appliance is totally new!!!They brought it home, it worked for 10 days and then dropped dead. They told me it is not repairable, they can only return to me the value of the latest spare parts, buy it back by offering me a discount of €600 on the price of the new model and bring me the new IKB 3550-20. Pls note that due to the built-in construction in my kitchen, I have very limited choices for a fridge. I accepted, paying the difference of €500 and today they brought it. Reading the reviews on your site, I wonder if I made a BIG MISTAKE and if I should better find and buy another brand????
Hi. This Liebherr product very good. Am using TCB2640. This is the best refrigerator and like the cool pack and spice box and this fridge is very silent not like other brand, Please try this brand and also suggest all my friends to buy Liebherr product... Thank you.
Refrigerator leaks water all over my food. Repairman just left after explaining that if anything touches the interior back walls of the refrigerator it will leak water. Cant be fixed. So now I have to buy a new refrigerator. Wished I had read all the negative reviews before spending the big bucks.
In July of 2014, the ice maker on my Liebherr stopped working. Annoying, but not unexpected. I just let it go. Then, not two months later, the freezer stopped working. Had a Liebherr referred repairman out to determine the temperature sensor was no longer working. As of now (November!), still no parts, no sign of parts, and now the refrigerator is not working. Liebherr has been HORRIBLE in trying to resolve this issue. Im selling the house and am ending up having to purchase a brand new unit. Liebherr, never again!
I will never buy this product. PLEASE Stay away from this company. I spent $5,000 on this unit and the company tried to correct it and it kept breaking. The refrigerator looks very nice but very poor quality.
This is the most expensive fridge freezer we have ever purchased and it is rubbish. It doesnt seem to freeze food correctly and if I try to freeze an unfrozen item it can take 2 days to become solid. The warning buzzer is VERY ANNOYING, it is like a race against the clock to put shopping away. I just hate it, I wish I had never seen this make in Currys and stuck with the Whirlpool I had for years and just replaced the broken shelves.
Model HC 2062, purchased in 2012, is a nice size, double doors, 2 freezer doors below, overall a nice design. We first became annoyed when the ice maker would not keep up with demand. Just after the 2-year warranty expired, the guts of the ice maker fell into the ice tray. $250 for replacement parts & labor (10 minutes). The explanation of what caused the damage is unbelievable. If you happen to open the freezer drawer when the ice reader is engaged, you can pull the guts out, which is exactly what happened. The air filter light has been on for 9 months, but its totally inaccessible unless you are good at lying on the floor and holding a screwdriver with your teeth. High-price fridge for inducing a regular headache.
I have owned a Liebherr fridge since 2012. The refrigeration has generally been good. Temperature is maintained in both compartments. The main issues, and there have been many, are structural as well as electronic. The plastic shelves have cracked as have the freezer bins. The ice maker fell apart and had to be replaced..The tracks on the two freezer drawers often get stuck. The main control panel had to be replaced. The unit beeps constantly and no one has had a solution. I have had to spend over $2000 on service calls and parts replacements. Buyer beware!
If you want buy refrigerator so please buy LIEBHERR. German brand refrigerator. Lg Samsung Voltas and @hirlpool is only brand but if you want space and perfect cooling so buy only LIEBHERR. Is best refrigerator in India.
I am fully satisfied with refrigerator. I am first customer to buy this model fridge in Hyderabad. I was little confused initially to go beyond LG and Samsung but by knowing features of Liebherr model like easy fresh technology, interior and exterior look, I impressed and finally made my decision to buy. I have been using this from last 8 months, I am happy and never had any issues. My suggestion to GO FOR IT. Thanks, Naga.
I have never had any problems with refrigerators that cost $300-$500. They just ran forever until they died at a ripe old age. But I wanted a counter depth fridge for a renovation and six years ago, Liebherr was cheaper than US brands like subzero. SO I paid $3000 for this hunk of junk, which started malfunctioning the first year. The sensor had to be replaced three times--and the repair people put it in upside down once. After the first year, I had to pay at least $150 to get it diagnosed--not fixed, diagnosed.When you pay $3000 for a fridge, you expect it to work or be fixed for free. The fridge continued to malfunction periodically beeping and warming. Usually I could fix it. But recently it died. The lights just went out and the buttons didnt respond. The beeping wouldnt go off even when I tripped the fuse. It was driving me crazy. I finally put a heavy blanket over the fridge to mute the noise. I paid my super $100 to fix it. He unplugged and replugged it. Within two weeks it died again--the only thing working was the incessant beep. I had to wear earplugs. I called the Liebherr repair people and it cost $160 for them to come out and tell me that the computer was faulty and would cost $1000 to replace. This is truly the refrigerator that keeps on costing. But they did show me a neat trick to keep it alive. I think it was press the power and alarm button on the right and increase the freezer number to as high as it will go. This resets the lights and the readings--false though they said they may be. I dont care, as long as its cold. I would rather buy another fridge that works than pay another $1000 for this defective part. If you ask me, Liebherr is a terrible company and would advise anyone not to buy anything from them--especially a fridge.
I purchased 2 machines (CBN 3913 and CN 4003) in Sept 2011 and they were installed in a completely renovated kitchen in Oct 2011. CBN 3913 broke down on June 17th 2014. I contacted the service immediately and got someone to see it on June 25th (the earliest possibility for them). The mechanic said the machine is beyond repair and a few days later at the end of June it was agreed that I would get a new machine at the cost of the work. I have tried to enquire a couple of times with no response. I have been in readiness for my entire vacation to let the refrigerator be installed. The heat of July has caused a lot of inconvenience with the refrigerator missing. I wonder if I will have to wait for the other one to break down and get some cheaper and longer lasting machinery instead.
I was bought in last year, but till date something happened in my fridge (ex. Vegetables spoiled). I approached for services, but their services are not good. After 1 year waranty expired, now I am asking for same issues in my fridge, but they told charges applicable. In waranty time they are not solve this problem in corona lockdown period. Till they want charges. So Products and services are very bad.
Hello members, I have taken fridge 290. lts nice product and good service in this product and I like good cooling in this product with good quality and service. I have will get some more products in this brand, I hope vl receive soon. Thank you Liebherr
Liebherr having the best quality refrigerator available in market. Build quality is so good. I bought 346 ltr ref. This model is having some unique feature like ice twist, cool pack. The top most feature is spice boxes which make it different from other brand. We can store spices also in this refrigerator. Top quality material is used to make this ref.
I recently bought a cobalt steel refrigerator from Croma store and I love the purchase I’ve made. It’s a brilliant refrigerator and also it is very silent. Stored Products also have a good shelf life. Vegetables stay fresh and also the power consumption is minimal. I am happy with my purchase and will definitely recommend it to others.
I bought a Liebherr refrigerator - CNes 4003, Index 20/001 in April 2009 and after almost 4 years, I found out that I should throw it away since the insulation at the back was destroyed and it could not be fixed. Obviously, this was the last thing I would expect to hear since I had bought this appliance for 1200 euros at the time from a trustworthy & reliable brand in order to ensure peace of mind. Luckily, my high expectations were not turned down. The customer service in Germany has confronted my case with great professionalism and in a timely manner and I was offered to exchange my appliance with a new one with similar characteristics with my refrigerator and free of charge although the warranty had expired long ago. I promised them to acknowledge their response and professionalism since I believe that apart from complaints, we should also share positive experiences and give credit to the people who are able to listen customers voice & respond with efficiency to fair requests. Mr Andreas **, Technical Manager, Refrigerators & Freezers Division, thank you again for your professionalism.
The refrigerator which was purchased from Vijay Sales Kharghar Navi Mumbai delivered the product. As the shelf of the defroster on which it is hold is been damaged on corner and can be seen only once we remove which is not noticeable unless removed 6 days back when the service technician came as a complaint was raise at Vijay Sale for the the problem which was taking place in the defrost section there was lot of ice getting accumulated kindly request to please replace the refrigerator as the technician has also mentioned in his service record and the refrigerator is 2 months old. Having a really very bad experience.
I had a Liebherr fridge/freezer for about ten years. It packed up so I decided to invest in another one. Bad move. We ordered a fridge/freezer and it was so noisy. Plus, on a number of occasions we thought we had closed the doors but we didnt and the freezer door doesnt have an alarm so our food had started to defrost. On our old model, the alarm went off. The shop that supplied our fridge/freezer came to inspect it and agreed it was very noisy and replaced it. The new one has exactly the same problem - its noisy - its like having a vacuum cleaner on in the corner of the kitchen. Plus, we have left the freezer door open now by mistake on at least four occasions - no alarm - I think you literally have to slam the door shut otherwise it will not close. I am so disappointed with my new Liebherr and I will never buy another product from them.
I purchased 365 liter capacity LIEBHERR Refrigerator in 1st week of March 2022. Service was good. Product has solid good quality build. Cooling effect is very good. Its noiseless. Compared it with other good brands available in market at different dealer shops and come across it at Tata Croma & Vijayasales. After seeing it physically & comparing it with other brands decided to go for it. Though one month is too early to comment on performance, so far we are satisfied. Also my neighbours & friends saw it and they too found it better in most of the aspects as compare to the refrigerator they have.
It has been a good experience with this refrigerator. No starting trouble was felt when we started using it. It is easy to maintain the refrigerator. Cleaning wasnt a big problem. Overall a good refrigerator.
We bought the Liebherr when we were renovating our kitchen in 2009. I just opened the site to see how to make the freezer stop beeping. I was not surprised to see that we experienced just about every complaint in the recent postings. We had the second authorized repairman 8 times. I could not find the paperwork for the first repairman. Our first complaint when the refrigerator arrived was the pokey ice production. Our dealer contacted Liebherr and was told that Europeans dont use as much ice as Americans. That was a stunning reply since I bought in the US. Then we started having constant problems with the French doors closing. We had many visits from the first repairman, after which the second repairman , who seemed more knowledgeable, repaired the doors. We had to have the suction trim replaced. We also had a problem with the back of the refrigerator freezing, clogging the drain. The two drawers filled with water and the fresh produce kept freezing. The refrigerator has been a huge disappointment. From our experience, I would never recommend this refrigerator. My husband & I recall our parents having the same refrigerator for our entire childhoods. Those days are surely long gone.
Hope that my review will prevent someone from making a bad mistake. We bought our apartment in NYC with the 30 built-in refrigerator/freezer. Nothing but problems from day one. A fortune of money to try and fix broken seals on the doors, faulty compressors, back panel freezing and lack of draining. Customer service is horrendous. They actually told me to take a toothpick and clean out the draining hole every so often, however, it didnt work. The company is completely aware of all the problems with their products and are totally refusing to deal with consumer complaints. These refrigerators are not cheap and I am shocked that they are getting away with it. Someone mentioned a lawsuit, I think would be a good idea.



